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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by tfox, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    I agree, but right now we have an issue with crazy people wanting to go out in a blaze of glory in public places.

    I am fighting back the best way I know how.
     
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    Do you have kids?

    You don't think they're going to ask?

    And what do I tell them.. they're there to protect you from someone who's a nut-job and might turn a gun on you.

    Their response will be (and this is the beauty of innocence) what if the guard is a nut-job?
     
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    Sorry, misread the context of your statement.

    It's obvious the NRA has made Obama Public Enemy #1, but in doing so they are pushing for their cause. The NRA has many many flaws, but I believe in most of what they do considering I can't devote 12 hours out of my day to writing letters and making calls to politicians. I'll gladly renew my membership and make a cash donation during times like these for someone to get the work done.
     
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    I don't have kids, so can't comment on what they might be thinking. But as I mentioned above, there can be systems in place to follow the old montra "out of sight out of mind". Maybe as they grow older they'll understand a little better, but again, checks and balances would need to be in place for a firearms on the premise.

    Another thing, what about tasers and other less than lethal forces that could be used effectively in a school envirenment? I'm sure a load of rubber buck shot would have disabled the Newtown shooter long enough for people to over take him.
     
  5. tfox

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    This response is extremely ignorant and naive. Much like the left in this country.

    The question is, whats in it for OUR kids?

    I like the fact my son's school is not a gun free zone.

    We had a school in our district that found a gun on a student just last week. This is a REAL threat for all our kids.

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    A post isn't ignorant because you say it is. There's no ignorance in what I said.. or maybe you believe in the pure cause of the great NRA.. and then you would be ignorant (or you just don't understand what lobby groups do or who pays for them).

    Naive.. maybe.. but only on the fact of innocence. Yes.. I'm naive to believe that this country deserves better than armed guards at my children's playground because of the terrible tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary.

    I do have to ask on your contradiction. You say your kids school isn't a gun free zone.. so what difference does it make that someone brought a gun? Explain.. you can't have it both ways.

    And the left remark. Predictable. I side with calm and rational thought and because it doesn't follow suit with your own.. that makes me left of you. When in fact.. I just understand what democracy means more than you.. and it's compromise.. not your rule.. your thought process.. your view.. it's ours.. collectively. If that makes me left.. then I choose that over your fascist views any day.

    I am in fact independent of both political spectrum's.. and people hate that because they can't peg me into just one.

    Commence your name calling.. for I must be liberal since I don't share your views on the poor taste and message of this NRA ad. A message that is counter-productive.
     
  7. tfox

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    Yes,there is ignorance in what you say. It is fact that gun free zones are not as safe as those that are not gun free. Thats fact. To state otherwise is igorant(not stupid,just ignorant to facts)

    The difference with a kid having a gun in a gun free school verses a guarded school is that all the kids are safer in a guarded school because there is someone to stop them if they decide to use it. Pretty basic stuff there. If you don't understand that then again,that is ignorance to facts.


    You worry about 1 of the guards that has a gun in school going nuts and using it. Guess what,it doesn't matter at that point. If they go nuts,they won't care if they are supposed to have a gun in school.They will go kill the kids regardless. Again,that can be interpreted as ignorance . Nut jobs and criminals don't differentiate in what is legal and not legal.They just want to do as much harm as they can before being stopped or stopping themselves. The mere presence of the gun in many cases is enough of a deterent to have them move on to an easier target to inflict as much damage as possible. Most of the cases they want to die,but they want to do it with as much carnage as possible.

    We are all ignorant of something so if that is "name calling" then so be it.
     
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    Actually we do agree the add was with poor taste. I stated that earlier,I just happen to agree with the add. Problem is that Obama started using his kids as well as other kids for political gain long before the NRA brought out this add. So imo,he has no room to complain about it.
     
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    Don't get me started. I find the add just fine. It jogs the memory and shows you the amount of separation between us and them. An armed guard at the doors would be a good thing.
     
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    This add should run 24/7. That prick in the white house needs to keep his own family safe and stay the hell out of my life. When the day comes that he is footing the bill for my family's safety then he can have a say into what guns I buy. Till then he should keep his arrogant trap shut and go back to the slum he helped create in Chicago his model for the nations gun control is working so well.
     
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    Looks the the GOP golden boy is going rogue

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

    I am becoming a fan of him. He's no lemming
     
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    I think he's already running for president

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    Kind of a sad day when a NJ Governor is a good GOP candidate for POTUS.
     
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    Definitely a double standard when it comes to the inside the beltway people that work for us. They are much more important than we serfs.

    RC
     
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    Christie can go **** in his hat. It's ok for my family's safety to be decided by a Washington hack like Obama, or a nazi governor like Cuomo who doesn't give two ****s about our rights or our safety...my family is on the table but his isn't.
    Christie could drop dead with the rest of the sell outs.
     
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    He may be your leader... but he certainly isn't mine. I can't wait for the next 4 years to end. He's done nothing to show me he's "MY leader". He's an speaker for sure... but a leader? I think not. I'll call him out on ever screwed up move he makes... and he's fixing to make a lot of them if he follows through with these Excecutive Decisions.
     
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    My mother is a teacher in Vermont's public school system. The town she is in decided to fund a Police Officer to be on site during all school hours a couple of years ago. I actually had the discussion with her last weekend about this. She says the cop isn't always in the same spot and doesn't necessarily patrol the school, but is usually by the front door or administration office areas.

    My mom likes the idea, but doesn't feel there is enough protection or defined process around what to do in an emergency situation. She specifically said the school is big enough that they could probably use two officers to properly monitor what's going on, but the $$$ just isn't there for it. She is a special ed teacher, and just a couple of weeks ago had a student lose control in the classroom and start getting violent, and the cop was apparently dealing with another issue that wasn't as significant.
     
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