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Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by Southernboy, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. Southernboy

    Southernboy Weekend Warrior

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    I just cut and pasted this from a profeesional review, I just found.....http://www.biggamehunt.net/sections/Archery/Fixed-Blade-Broadhead-Review-G5-Montec-and-the-NAP-Crossfire-03170812.html


    G5 Montec
    The G5 Montec is a fixed, non-replaceable blade broadhead design that retails for around $36 for three broadheads. It has a solid stainless steel one piece construction and are available in 85, 100, and 125 grain variations. The Montec design is a simple three-sided pyramid that is easy to resharpen. All you need is a diamond stone, a felt pen, and a little patience. Simply blacken the cutting surfaces with the felt pen, then use a swiping motion over the diamond stone until the ink is removed. The angles of the blades and body make it so you naturally do not have to worry about the sharpening angle. G5 has a video on their web site demonstrating the sharpening technique (www.g5outdoors.com).


    G5 Montec

    In our testing the Montecs impacted close to where the field points were hitting. However there are a few things that you can do to make the Montecs fly precisely. The first is making the blades of the broadhead line up with the vanes of your arrow. This requires placing the broadheads in the insert, when gluing in your inserts. Simply rotate the blades until they line up with your vanes and then allow the glue to dry. Be careful to not use too much insert compound and accidentally bind your broadheads permanently to the arrow shaft.

    G5 also makes a series of "Pre-Season" Montec points. The pre-season blades have the same shape and construction as hunting Montecs, but are not as sharp. You can then use these pre-season broadheads for practice and then switch to the sharpened Montecs when heading afield.
     
  2. brucelanthier

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    Does that mean I can't use them with my arrows that have four feathers?
     
  3. Schultzy

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    Interesting. I'm surprised It makes a difference on how the broad heads line up with vanes/feathers. I'm not 100% sold on this.:confused: Anyone else ever tried this?
     
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    Where's Madhunter on this topic? He's does someting with G5. I started shooting the montecs last year and never had a problem with them. They worked great on every deer I've shot.
     
  5. Southernboy

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    All I can say is that they guy at the shop lined them up w/ my fletching...and when I shot I didn't have to adjust my sights because they were dead on.

    That is all I'm sayin.

    SB
     
  6. Schultzy

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    Glad It worked for ya! Might be the ticket for others as well.:cool:
     
  7. 130Woodman

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    Now I get it:bash: They fly just like mine then.

     
  8. buckeye

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    Honestly, lining up your broadheads with your fletching has zero impact on the way your arrow flys. The arrow spins while in flight so it is not like the broadheads blades are cutting the air current for the vanes to then pass through... It just doesn't work like that.

    What that is is just an old "wives tale" that they used to use back in the day. Some people still use this tactic although it is pointless.

    GMMAT has given you a lot of good info over the last couple days.

    First, you need to have the correct static spine to match your setup. Static spine is how much your arrow resists being bent.

    An arrow can have the perfect static spine rating for your setup, but how that arrow reacts in flight is critical RE: it's dynamic spine. Dynamic spine trumps static spine.

    Assuming your bow is in good tune.... It is ALL about SPINE for good broadhead flight.
     
  9. Rob / PA

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    Lining them does nothing. It's likely when he aligned them, he also seated the insert properly, nothing more.

    Buckeye is spot on.,
     
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    I believe in lining up the blades with the fletches. I don't think it is a wives tale. I've had very good results in doing so. In any case, it can't hurt. If it eliminates just one doubt in your mind, it is worth it. It works for me.
     
  11. buckeye

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    I think what it comes down to is if a competent persons attention to detail is good enough that they will work to set their inserts so their broadheads line up with their fletching that their arrows are cut square, inserts and nocks are seated square and are using a properly spined arrow.

    I can agree if it eliminates a doubt in ones mind to go the extra step and do it.

    I use 4 blade heads on a 3 fletch setup. Impossible for me. Although, I'd have to be pretty bored the day I build my arrows to line the broad heads up with the fletching if I were to shoot a 3 blade head :moose:
     
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    I build a lot of hunting arrows, for myself and others. I enjoy it too. Aftertuning bows and arrows I have never had any trouble getting excellent BH flight and have not yet aligned any fletchings with the BH. Currently I have a 2 blade BH and 3 fletches. Should I should line the blades up with the cock fletch?
     
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    You guys ever check out the BAT broadheads from Innerloc? You can line them up however you want without glue.

    It would be a good way to test the alignment idea.
     
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    Tell ya what.....I'll take the practise heads off the arrows that are lined up and put them on identical arrows that are not lined up and report back as to how they fly.

    If they don't fly like the field points we know that it has anm impact...if they fly right then we know it doesn't have an impact....

    anyone wanna bet on the results ?

    SB
    bettin a case of the taste it has an impact......bettin another case that whoever loses cries foul.
     
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    I am telling you bro, from years of experience and having easily owned and maintained over 50 different bows it don't matter. That is a lot of arrows I have built and shot.

    Do whatever it is you like, I am just telling you it doesn't matter if they match ;)
     
  17. Southernboy

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    LOL,

    Actually I bought 1/2 a dozen arrows and the Preseason heads at the same time.....I have not taken the Montecs out of the box...as in actuality I bought them a month or two ago...(I even posted here about buying them)...

    the guy at the shop put the pract. heads on three and just the insert on the other three. so I can just put the heads on the ones that were not lined up....

    I wasn't serious about betting....

    But I have to admit that I am blown away at the conversation we are having.....(but in a good way) You have to remember that I'm just getting back into it...the guy that taught me how to shoot is Owen Jeffery...he is in his mid to late 80's and still hunts...he has been in archery his whole life and use to not only work for but hunt with Fred Bear...as a matter of fact he designed the Bear Recurve Kodiak Magnum which I happen to have a 70's model.

    I spent hours with him and he taught me a whole lot.....absolute great guy and a wealth of knowledge and he loved to share it.....this conversation reminds me of that... I would say something like I'think if I put a lil spit on my broadhead it wouldslide through the air better....and he would launch into a three hour discussion/lecture on my foolishness.....

    SB
    any way I'm going to line my broadheads up with the fletching because I like it. And you don't....so there.
     
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    I'm not a physics expert, but I would think a balanced arrowhead would spin and create a gyro effect when the inertia from the vane resistance turns the mass of the arrow. However slight an effect, consider this theory?

    Newton's law, an object at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by a force in motion. Could arrows with the cock vane up and remaining vanes dispersed at 120 degree angles downward (and matching blades) provide a solid balance for no lateral motion while Newton's first law is being enacted, thus keeping the arrow on plane during initial flight, prior to the gyro effect taking over? Secondly, if they are all matched, you could assume consistent arrow flight because all broadheads start out with their mass balanced in the same position from shot to shot?

    So, maybe it's not about putting them inline with fletch as much as it is creating a balanced mass at rest and a consistent position from shot to shot? I can speculate that with today's dropaway rests, one doesn't have to always put the cockvane up -- I just think we all get to where we want to have the vanes in a consistent starting position from shot to shot. Just a thought.
     
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    Almost 5 years old, someone knows how to search :lol:
     
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    I just slap a slick trick on there and pull the trigger! HaHahaha!...good read but I think buckeye said it right and SB you have a great coach! Best a luck..however you do it.
     

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