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Nocking point too high?

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  1. english archer

    english archer Weekend Warrior

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    I'm still new to compounds and am far more used to longbows, so i have a bit of a noob question.

    I am shooting finger style and instinctive, so no sights.

    I'm getting good grouping, but my arrows are low.

    Is this down to needing more practice, or is my nocking point low?

    Here are some pics of my grouping, and how the arrow looks on the bow

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  2. digio40

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    Get your bow in a vise and make sure it is level and plumb. Then put a bubble level on the arrow shaft. As long as the bow is level the arrow should level out as well. If it doesn't you will know that you need to either move your nock up or down.
     
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    try paper tuning it. That should help you figure the problem
     
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    It may be the light, but it looks like the arrow is pointed down a tad.
     
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    The arrow does look like its pointed down a tad. Is it like that at full draw? being a finger shooter depending on finger placement, is a nocking point a tad high a bad thing. Not sure. Leveling the arrow out may be a good start. Will paper tuning be real accurate for a finger shooter? Not sure. Bare shaft tuning a better option? Looked around for a bare shaft tuning guide here is what I found.

    http://www.goldtip.com/arrowperformance.aspx?coid=16

    Hope it helps.
     
  6. Sticknstringarchery

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    Hey guys look at the third pic down. Look at it really close, I mean really close!!

    Notice the odd fletching (white one)?????

    Thats your problem. The arrow is nocked upside down!!!

    Turn it to where the white is on the top and this may fix the ntire thing. When you launch it off the rest witht the odd down, what happens is the fletching is contacting with your rest and kicking the tail of the arrow up changing the angle. This causes it to hit low. the farther out you go the worse it will affect it. Try that before you go doing anything with your nocking point.

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    Wouldn't the cock vane have to be down to go between the prongs on the rest? If it were up, the other two vanes would hit the rest.
     
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    Thats what I thought when I first started shooting but the fingers on the rest can be adjusted to run on the arrow just under the vanes. I use to shoot mine like that when I first started and it kept kicking my arrows down like his is doing. I turned the arrow cock vane up, closed the gap on my rest and loosend my spring on the rest and problem was fixed. I didn't know to do all of that at once of course but, over time that is what all I had to do to get it set up and shooting well. It worked for me.
     
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    By the looks of the rest and how it is adjusted he is correct in shoot cock down. Try shooting through some paper and see what that tells you. Another possible problem could be in the release or the tiller could be out of whack.
     
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    So I'm interested in this thread. I a some questions and comments. I have never shot instinctive but did shoot fingers for a while. If he is shooting no sights, how is he determining he is low? Don't you just hold higher? I am curious. Another question is I was under the impression a rest like that isn't the best choice for finger shooters. With finger shooting isn't there more arrow movement causing it to bounce back and forth on the fingers, archers paradox also? Also from rest like that I don't think cock feather down is wrong. To do a paper tune with a finger shot bow don't you have to be further away from paper than a standard tune, to give the arrow more time to straighten out. I also thought that a 5" fletch is like a minimum and not straight. Is a bare shaft tune better for finger shooters? Just curious.
     
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    Now that so many are saying he has it nocked right, I would like confirmation. I turned mine cock vane up and it worked perfectly. I shot 3 different rest like that. I also set my wifes up that way and it worked great. I did have another guy tell me thats how he shot his. Now I shoot a drop a drop away but, would like to know for future reference. One difference though and this may make all the difference. I was shooting blazers then. His fletchings look shorter so they may not hit the middle of the rest.

    If I told you wrong apologizeze. Thats just how I fixed the problem.
     
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    A finger shooter should be about a 1/2" Nock high. You have a TM hunter style rest which should be shot cock vane down. However that isn't the correct rest for finger shooters. You should be using a rest that has a side plunger.That being said , that is a great group and your issue seems to be you haven't found your correct aiming system.
     
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    Good resource tfox.
     
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    Finger shooting causes the arrow to flex sideways, while a release would cause flex vertically. I agree with tfox, try a plunger.
     
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    I agree cockvaine down. i shot my last bow like this with blazers and had no problem. i would also start with a paper tune, and then maybe go up with the nock. like stated previously .5in high.
     

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