Why wouldn't a married man continue to seek attractive mates? Because, in both instances.....they've made a prior commitment. Legally, the schools can do this. Morally/ethically......I think it stinks. The players rolled the dice just like th schools did. Yes, they can back out of those, too. But, I hold the universities to a higher standard. Just my .02
Come on, that's a pretty poor analogy How so? In most cases, the kid still gets a free education. If a kid underperforms, I see no problem with asking him to transfer or take a medical scholarship. I received an academic scholarship, and I understood that if my GPA dropped below 3.0, I would be lose the scholarship. How is that any different from a kid underperforming athletically?
If he underperforms, I don't have a problem with that. If you drop his call, because there's a bigger name on the other line.......that's terrible.
So if y'all sign exactly 85 players, then 6 players transfer, y'all just leave those scholarships vacated or give them to walk-ons?
clowney is the kid you want! kid is a terror!!!!!!!!!!!!! omgosh did i just get excited over HS football kid and where he is going to school??? ugggggggggh i need to watch some Xgames or something!
Michigan was short 20 players at one point. If six leave we are short six players, the next year we can recruit more, but in the Big ten one cannot over sign recruits.
Actually it seems that the Big 10 can oversign by 3 players of the 85 limit. Not the Big 10 not believe in competition among it's players? Competition makes better players.
Looks like some SEC teams get it "I don't think the rule we passed is going to solve the problem," Florida President Bernie Machen says. "There are still universities that will oversign and it's going to end up with a student athlete being left out. I think we either have to get the universities to be more serious about it, or the league and the NCAA are going to have to pass more stringent punishments for those who do oversign." McGarity also said that Georgia football will not allow oversigning -- a practice that some programs participate in and is garnering more attention by both media and regulating bodies. “We will not sign more than 85 scholarship football players,” he noted.
Speaking of oversigning.... http://www.latimes.com/sports/colle...ball-recruiting-20110201,0,4841531,full.story
Hard for A&M to draw recruits when the Longhorns get a HUGE deal done with ESPN. Maybe when A&M takes off for the SEC??? http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/20...icid=main|compaq-laptop|dl10|sec1_lnk1|198474
They dominate the recruiting because they are bring in 5 or 10 extra guys in every year, it is easy to dominate the rankings when you have more recruits. Common sense man. Oversigning and forcing kids into fake medical hardships or forcing them to transfer or pulling the scholarship altogether (yes Miles has done this) is plain wrong. Those kids made a life changing commitment to attend a school. That school is responsible to honor the scholarship they offer. Plain and simple. As for being able to over sign by 3 in the Big 10. That is not accurate in the way you posted it. They can oversign by three but must turn it in, in writing to the Big 10 office how they will in fact be under the 85 scholarship maximum. So they aren't really oversigning, they just have to know in advance and turn in how and where exactly those 3 scholarships will come from that were accepted by those prospects. Hope that makes sense.... Not worded the best I know.
Sorry Bro, I just saw this. It appears nobody bought into the hype and everyone is staying pat...until tomorrow when they get there own little "The Decision"...lol Only hangup is the running back from S GA, #1 in the nation and leaning toward Georgia...runor has it, he will go there since they signed his buddy...but truth be told, he would not see the field at bama for at least a year maybe 2, at UGA he has a shot now.
I can only think of one kid Miles has completely pulled his scholarship that wasn't because of off field issues, and that is Chris Garrett. And he was cut for many rumored reasons, but no one really knows. Him being cut confused alot of people, because that only left LSU with 2 scholarship QBs last year, so it's not like he was cut to free up roster space. He was cut for other reasons that we do not know about. But Miles did grant him release to transfer to Ole Miss, LSU's main rival. And some people consider Elliot Porter an over-signing casualty, but he was asked to greyshirt, got pissed off, then signed with Tennessee, only to transfer back to LSU this year on full scholarship. So... And those 3 extra scholarships will more than likely come from 3 other kids being "asked" to transfer or medical hardships.
I dont understand how you fail to see that over signing and or taking players off of scholarship is morally grey at best. I made the decision to play soccer in college because of the fact that I felt the coaches recruiting me were good men, if I would have lost my spot to a incoming freshman that would have been irritating but if they were better than me that would be ok, If I would have lost my scholarship because they wanted to recruit extra goalkeepers that would be so wrong. They gave me their word that I would be able to go to school there on scholarship if I played soccer... Does someones word not mean anything? College football has become a business but the lives of young people are at stake, this is were I see a morality issue
"The lives of young people are at stake"? Seriously? A bit dramatic, don't you think? As explained earlier, 9/10, the players on the short end of the over-signing get a hardship scholarship, meaning they still get to attend the university of FREE and get a quality education, or they transfer to another school for an athletic scholarship and still get to play football and attend school for FREE. Oh the humanity.
Football on that scale is a business. If you are a player (employee) and cannot help your team (business) perform then you are rooted out. I did not play on a bigtime level, only on a D-1AA level and I saw our coaches incessantly harass certain players to get them to either up their game or quit. Those coaches livelihoods were at stake so they held the athletes accountable year round.
Tell me more about these "hardship" scholarships you speak of. It's not really like the athletic depts. have discretionary funds. If they did, they wouldn't be an issue with over-signing. **Edit... I looked around. The practice is ...using a medical hardship to balance for over-signing. While I read on this thread that OSU (and the big 10) didn't allow over-signing.....they (OSU) were listed as one of the more prolific in employing this practice (also listed were AL and UNC). There's nothing illegal about it. Used as it was intended to be used.....it's terrific. But, with no oversight....it's a loophole to cull players and over-sign. Legal - Yes. Ethical - NO (IMO). I think it stinks. I want to know where the money comes from. I also want to know: How many players is each team allowed (to dress....home and away)? How many scholarships are allowed, per team? Interesting discussion.
