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  1. ruck139

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    I am a huge fan of mechanical heads, but some of them are way over the top, designed more to attract hunters than to kill deer. The design of Rage and NAP Killzone style heads simply cannot be beat IMO. I will forever stick with a head with that design. For guys like me shooting 60lbs the Rage Hypodermic+P is the best yet.
     
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    ruck you have to check out the muzzy hybrid it does not use clips or o rings to keep the blades closed.
     
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    Hybrids are equal to an admission of guilt.
     
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    Guilty of what having a fixed blade couple with a mechanical blade to enhance blood letting? We get it mechanicals are not for you but a couple million people have success with mechanicals every year, so to say all mechanicals are no good is just wrong. Like I said you use a mechanical release on a compound bow that is mechanical as well so like it or not you are using mechanical devices to bow hunt.
     
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    It's your insurance policy. Otherwise why need for a fixed blade at all? Just shoot a fully un deployed mechanical .

    The compound , release aid argument doesn't hold much water, and you being in the water business know it.
    If my bow( release ) fails to shoot ..oh well I don't shoot. A animal walking away unscathed is far from a worry.
    On the other hand if my broadhead isn't a broadhead on impact i have an ethical problem ...
     
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    Unscathed? I would be willing to bet that the majority of mechanical failures are user error, either wrong arrow or have the blade retention system installed wrong. I like the hybrid I would say it is fool proof, there is no possible way that the mechanical blade does not deploy.
     
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    Not familiar with it, will check it out, but I never really had a problem with clips/o-rings.
     
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    I agree, your buying insurance in the event of failure, hence you have to then acknowledge the possibility it can fail otherwise you wouldn't deem insurance necessary.

    In that regard I think it's a wise decision. Good choice
     
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    I love it, the mechanical broadhead failure argument. SO played! In my 30+ years of bowhunting I have had three broadhead failures, one was a mechanical, a Pucketts Bloodtrailer that crushed on impact. Total garbage they were. My Dad has always used mechanicals and in countless kills only once had had a mechanical fail, a Punchcutter broke on him way back when. The other two failures I had were fixed heads, one literally snapped in half, the other all three blades dislodged from the head on impact, and all three blades were inside the deer even though the rest of the arrow passed through!
    My Dad and I have killed countless deer with quality mechanical heads like Snyper, Rocket, NAP Killzone, and a few others, and the worst failure we saw was the occasional bent blade. We NEVER lost a deer because of the fault of any of the above heads. Guys scapegoat mechanical heads because they can, it's easier than saying "maybe I screwed up"!
     
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    I am an engineer. "Simple and robust"


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    So we have a fallacy of false equivalence. All bows are Mechanical, and all releases (even your fingers) are performing a function of a mechanism.

    In this case a compound bow isa simpler more robust than a recurve. Especially considering the same poundage. A release is more reliable than my fingers.




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    This thread is getting rather technical. The season must be close to ending.

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    Idiotic? Not very nice manners. You believe what you want and use what you want and we can agree to disagree. Comparing a 3 wheeler to a car vs shooting mechanical broad head is not close.
     
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    That was my point we actually agree. Comparing the mechanical broadheads to a bow release is not even close.

    Using good manners you called what I said BS.


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    Have you ever heard of over engineering??? lol

    All I can say is, my ORIGINAL Spitfires are an awesome broadhead, and have NEVER failed to open for me. Let's keep things simple.
     
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    Well had you read the other responses that I based my response on nobody that posted brought up the reasons why they were against mechanical broad heads only against the mechanical, never mentioned the penetration or deflections only anti mechanical.
     
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