My thought on Zimmerman/ Martin

First off Zimmerman murdered that kid. 2nd as an ex military police officer trained at Lackland AFB. we were taught you can only swing the PR24 night stick at a person head only once in defense of your life because it's a killing blow. So far as those officers in California hitting Rodney King in the head multiple times with a PR24 by military standard they were doing what? Disabling him no. By military standard hitting him in the head multiple times they were trying to kill him not disable him.

1) Trayvon wasn't following Zimmerman. Zimmerman was following Trayvon. Zimmerman said those azz-holes are always getting off. 911-dispatch ask are you following him. Zimmerman said yes. Dispatch said we don't need you to do that. And why did Zimmerman say Effing Coon? Why did Zimmerman make 75 phone calls about suspicious Black People in a one year time? Have any of you guys had to make a phone call of any suspicious person 75 times? If you did where they all on Black People?

2) When is it against the law for any person to wear a Hoodie during a light rain?

3) When do any person have the right to demand you to tell them were you're going at night? As Zimmerman lawyer said all Trayvon had to was tell him were he was going. WRONG! That''s not his job nor do he have the right to do so that's in violation of Trayvon Civil Right.

4) 1st Witness walking his dog saw Trayvon lying on the ground Screaming for help and Zimmerman standing over him before the shot was fired. After the 2nd shot was fired Screaming. That's right Police said Zimmerman fired a warning shot. That's why people started calling 911 because they heard the first shot then someone screaming for help. The person screaming for help was Trayvon before the 2nd shot.

5) I moved from Florida due in part because of the violent nature of the area. From what I know of the area Florida youths...Any Black Kid that makes A-B Honor Roll, was on a Colorado youth ski team, and was trying to get a pilot license..Yes he was into General Aviation, are Nerds and these very Nerds don't have the heart to cause trouble.

6)Trayvon was suspended for being late. In some of Florida School systems all it takes is 3 tardiness. How many times were any of you late for school? Had this kid been making F's always in trouble then I might lean toward Zimmerman. But he was told by 911 dispatch not to follow him.

7) 2 years ago here in Virginia I had a White Male approach me in a convenience store calling me the N-Bomb repeatedly and pawing at a large sheath knife on his side. Every White person in the sore thought it was funny. For almost a minute I told him to leave me alone and he kept up his racial assault and grabbing at his knife. When he finally unsnapped it, I went through the motion of drawing my concealed Ruger .38. Only when people seen that I was armed did they make any attempt to get him away from me.

Had I not been armed it's not a doubt in my head he would have stabbed me to death.

As a Black man, I've always know and been taught that arguing with the police or any White Person with a weapon is not going to end well. Regardless if any of you want to admit to it or not there's 2 rules even in this day and age for Blacks and Whites. Whites are giving more latitude than a Black Person any giving day of the week. Why???

When I lived in Jacksonville in a Gated Community A White Guy climbed the fence to his ex-wife home and beat her to death. One of the neighbors found her half in her house the Police arrested him for murdering her. they had this guy face all over the news as the killer.

The real killer mother turned in her son because of the special relationship she had with the murdered victim.

Another woman had received a packaged bomb in the mail It blew up killing the woman. The day before she was seen arguing with her Black neighbor about her dog defecating in her yard. Her husband she was due to see in Divorce Court that Monday sent it. It took the police a week to get on the right trail. Yet a Black Person was blamed.

8) Zimmerman didn't live in that community. He lived 2 blocks away. And several people in the Home Owner Association Complained about Zimmerman aggressive nature.

9) The police screwed this case up from day one. The police didn't perform a proper investigation and Trayvon will eventually be exhumed to have the Autopsy to re-done.

So it doesn't matter what neighborhood or clothing you wear or even the color of your skin. This should have never happen. The thing that's different here is that Trayvon wasn't white and had been. Eff-ing Coon wouldn't have been said under Zimmerman's breath.

I wish every person that's White that think that Trayvon got what he deserved or this crime isn't irrelevant could see this from my side of the fence.

What's so hard about treating another man as an equal? I guess so many of you are entrenched that Blacks always cause trouble or on Welfare that you can't see that this kid was murdered, because you want to believe that Zimmerman is incapable of murder.

Remember Jeffrey Dalhmer was so convincing to police that they released his gay lover, back into his custody only for Dalhmer to strangle him minutes after the police left.

Zimmerman murdered Trayvon and if his parents would have just rolled over he would have been forgotten. He would have joined a long list of murdered Black teens.

And if people riot then they should go to jail or prison. In this case the police caused this situation by not doing their job. For Zimmerman deserve the death penalty. Or life in prison without possibility of parole.

That's my opinion.

10) At almost any given day around Virginia Tech Campus and in convenience stores or Malls White Male students were hoodies covering their head inside an establishment. Are they to be considered up to no good because they are White college students? Or because they are not in Florida wearing a hoodie in the rain?

 

Not to nit pick everything you said Amatuer, but this...

"7) 2 years ago here in Virginia I had a White Male approach me in a convenience store calling me the N-Bomb repeatedly and pawing at a large sheath knife on his side. Every White person in the sore thought it was funny. For almost a minute I told him to leave me alone and he kept up his racial assault and grabbing at his knife. When he finally unsnapped it, I went through the motion of drawing my concealed Ruger .38. Only when people seen that I was armed did they make any attempt to get him away from me."

You know how many times I've had REAL live guns pulled on me by blacks over the years...twice. I was once in a serious encounter where a gun was pulled not a foot from behind my head as a scrap was taking place. Did I cry racism? No. I've had Hispanics pull knives on me and put them to my face. I've had Asians pull out metal pipes and hit me. Did I cry racism? No. I've been in fistfights with Hispanics, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Hawaiians, Samoans, persons of mixed race....and on and on. Did I ever cry racism when I was jumped several times by gang members of different races? No, I just fought. Did anyone ever come to my defense when I was the 1% white guy, NOPE, and noone ever cared. Racism rears its UGLY head everywhere and I have seen it reversed on me many many times. Blacks put out just as much racism towards whites as they receive. As soon as someone admits that, then our society can truly begin to heal and a real dialogue can take place.


And this...

"What's so hard about treating another man as an equal? I guess so many of you are entrenched that Blacks always cause trouble or on Welfare that you can't see that this kid was murdered, because you want to believe that Zimmerman is incapable of murder."

So many of YOU? Does that mean "Whitey?"

Let the facts come out and let the police do their job. If Zimmerman is guilty, then find him so and sentence him accordingly for whatever crime he committed. If he is not guilty, then let him remain free.

 

First time I was stabbed in the face it was a Black girl that did it when I was trying to break up a fight.

First time I was arrested is when I called the police after my family home was broken into. The police said I did the break in for the insurance money.

I've been in so much crap it's ridiculous. I had 2 guys attempt to rob me in an Arizona Rest area thank God I had a gun with me that day. No shots fired I got the hell out of there.

I was jumped and beaten up and left for dead by some White guys on the then Alameda Naval Base, where they record Mythbusters. My exhunting buddy I save him from some Black Guys that knocked him out as the mostly White Crowd cheered them on to drop a Cement Cinder Block on his head.

Strange how a .38 make people come to their senses. Yet when he was threaten if he kept hunting with me he told me and never hunted with me again. That's been nearly 4 years ago.

Calling people Whitey isn't within my nature regardless of others nature. And I don't allow or people know me don't call me that especially Black. I don't give rats azz the N-bomb is just that. If Zimmerman go free it's because of the police fought from bot following through on a proper investigation.

OJ was cleared of murder and I said he was guilty as all get out, Casey Anthony was guilty of murder and got off and Zimmerman is cleared of charges and if they find the officers in Sandford negligent of wrong doing of the investigation then they should never be allowed to were a badge in Florida nor here in Virginia.

Because if they did it once they will do it again. It's the nature of all criminals.

I'm to old to be fighting in the streets, but my wife will tell you I'm in for a penny.....and i practice everyday and I will never let what happen to me in the past to repeat itself unfavorably.

 

Meaningless to Florida law..........not saying he was right but it makes no difference to his guilt of a crime. Following someone is not a crime.

He didn't.........at least not clearly. He has black friends coming out and saying he said "goon" and all sorts of nonsense. I listened to the audio and it's FAR from clear. Did you listen to it??

Agreed............he should have just told Zimmerman to piss off. It certainly is not a violation of his civil rights though.

Why did you feel the need to specify they were white??..........do you honestly expect us to believe this is common behavior for white people??...........to watch a black guy get threatened and slashed at by an idiot with a knife while we all laugh?

Sounds like you have some serious racial predjudice yourself there man.

WOW...........you ever get tired of carrying that grudge around against the imaginary white man who is holding you back??

You say you were taught to distrust people of other races and then you have the balls to ask why YOU are being treated differently??

Really??............going by the letter of Florida Law what crime is he guilty of?? Again, not saying he was right, but emotions do not supercede the law. Don't like the law??.....get it changed, but until then deal with it.

Your "side of the fence" sounds pretty ugly and messed up to me............if you really think white people believe the kid "got what he deserved"

Nothing...............you should try it sometime.

Clearly because he was white right??

I work in a place that has about a million dollars in high demand inventory staring you in the face.........ANYONE walks in wearing a hoodie inside and they are told to take the hood down or leave. Don't like it??....tough, then go away. We don't care what color your face is...........we want our security cameras to see it so you can be ID'd if need be. Believe it or not those cameras record every face that walks in and out (including mine)...............not just the black ones.


Zimmerman was a gung ho power tripping guy who took neighborhood watching WAY too seriously. He harrassed Martin and when the kid decided to fight (reports now are Zimmerman has a broken nose and injury to the back of his head where Martin was slamming his head into the street)..........he shot him. Was Zimmerman's life in danger?? If his head was really getting smacked against the street then yes, it was self defense and under Florida law he will skate.

People are pissed because Zimmerman was the catalyst of the conflict and the other guy got killed........understandable. Say he doesn't have a gun and Martin continues to bash his head off the cement and kills him, is that somehow better?? Now you'd have a young guy dead for asking someone where they were going. Just as ugly.


Zimmerman is no angel, and the whole situation would have been avoided had he not chased the kid. I just don't think he broke the law (in florida anyways). Maybe he did and if so I hope he gets punished accordingly.


Garbage like this makes the phoney cries for racial harmony ring pretty hollow.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832


Your claims that he was suspended for being late are far from the whole picture of this kid as well.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html



BTW...............Martin's mother applied for copywrights today to profit off T-shirt slogans sold capitalizing on her sons death.


Creepy.



Amatuer..........you have some deep seeded issues with racism my friend, and by the sound of it, you give as much as you get.

 

The questions is was Trayvon standing his ground when he was confronted by Zimmerman? Zimmerman step out of his car, if someone steps of their car and comes at you, what would any of us do?

Please stop saying "you" people, when we realized it's "us" and we are all together in this mess, life will get better.

 

My main problem with this story is the media coverage. They paint the picture they want people to see and the one that will cause the most uproar. That usually doesn't involve a ton of facts. I'm all for a thorough investigation by the authorities and allowing our judicial system to do it's job. The media has covered every angle on Zimmerman and depicts him as an over zealous white racist neighborhood watch guy that has a violent past. The image of Trayvon is slightly different, a young smiling kid in a couple of year old photo skipping down the street with some skittles and a tea. This story is a media dream while other similiar stories get no coverage, why is that. From one of the links earlier I found this blog with an interesting response and a bunch of other links...take it for what it's worth it but it definitely shows how these topics and people can be manipulated.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer

"Just Tell The Truth at 9:08 PM March 26, 2012
10 young black men were killed and 49 wounded in Chicago - THIS WEEK ALONE - Obama and Jesse Jackson's backyard!

A student was shot to death at Mississippi State University in his dorm last weekend and three black suspects remain at large.

Where is the outrage?

Why did Jesse Jackson tell a large crowd Trayvon was shot in the back of his head?

Why is AP reporting, "white man kills black child?"

Why does the media put out childhood pics of Trayvon when he was actually a 6' 3" 160 pound football player?

Trayvon didn't deserve to die but may have contributed to this tragedy.


Read http://dumbolddad.blogspot.com/2012/03/since-our-entire-country-is-about-to.html

Questions point to hypocrisy at the very least or possibly a more sinister agenda by some liberals AND the press.

Read former NAACP head response: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/f...ton-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin/
Here's the smoking gun:

article.orlandosentinel.com/2004-10-18/news/0410180021_1_woodard-missionary-baptist-church-eatonville

The public has clearly been duped (again) and this story has spun way out of control after gross biased reporting.

The black community has been lied to for years that they’re victims of white oppressors. Their feelings and emotions are again being manipulated for political gain and ratings.

Words can't describe what these people are doing ..."

 

Let's really stir the pot here.


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Bottom line, none of us were there. All we have is what we read in the media. I sure don't believe even a fraction of what I read or watch in the media. Without a doubt this was but another unfortunate tragic event that happens everyday across America. Why did this get so much attention? Sensationalism, that's why. A white man shot a black teenager. Where's all the outrage for all the other shootings that happen in America every day? I'm gonna wait until the FBI finishes their investigation before I make an opinion one way or the other.

 

Is this a trick question? Well I guess I'd probably beat the crap outta that tubby neighborhood watch guy for confronting me, the frickin racist.

 

The question should be who made first physical contact. If Trayvon made first contact, not verbal contact, physical contact, then I see Zimmerman being charged with manslaughter.

If Trayvon never made physical contact with Zimmerman, then yeah, Zimmerman should be charged with 2nd degree murder.

 

Under the stand your ground law, maybe Trayvon felt threaten. He was standing his ground.

Just looking at the situation with a different view.

 

it's not a trick question, just looking at it different and using the "Stand your ground" theory with a different view.

 

Does this "stand your ground" law give you the right to physically attack someone if they verbally threaten you? If so, that is a seriously dangerous law.

 

From what I have read, yes. That is not definitive but my interpretation from what I have read.

 

I don't know, but if you are walking down the street when you were 17 and a 250lb dude steps out of a car to confront you, is that a situation where you or I would feel "threaten".

On the flip side

If you confront someone and they start whipping your ***, are you threaten now?

It's going to come down to how this law is Interpreted IMO.

 

Yes, I would feel threatened. As a runner, I've been confronted several times while running the streets. I was once surrounded by a group of about 5 young males, all verbally assaulting me. I ignored them. I did not confront them back. Verbal assault does not harm. If they would have physically touched me, then I would have had to defend myself with physical action.

Yes, obviously I would be threatened, but I would also not be innocent of all wrongdoings.

 

As I said you don't truly know me at all and if you read my post carefully instead of the manner in which you did those things you've made up in YOUR MIND is just that.

I said as young Black kids in Memphis you were taught never to trust police. Far as being prejudice you're an idiot. No man hold me back from anything I like to do or excel at doing. When my ex-hunting buddy stopped hunting with me it was because of White People threatening him.

Who vandalize my vehicle when I was out hunting? It could have been anybody? When I reported it to the Game Warden he thought he knew who did it but no evidence prove it. Basically you don't know the crap a person of Color go through daily because you can't. And if you lived in Florida you would.

I like to look at the Virginia Tech killer incident. When me and him got into at the Gun Range and he drove on Campus I called Campus Security and told him he was driving on Campus from the gun range. They told me I was paranoid. Look what he did 8 months after that.

So don't be an insufferable idiot by calling me a racist. I don't see color I see nothing but ignorance. And the ignorance of others is a barrier for all. A group barrier is a barrier against a group.

And this is the main reason I didn't post anything about Trayvon's murder. I've heard the 911 calls and I've heard the comments. This kid was murdered.

last thought to you.

If Zimmerman had stayed in his car or did what the 911 dispatcher told him to not followed him would Trayvon still be alive?

In all likely hood yes. And far as his Civil Rights being violated you as a civilian can't detain a person against his will by any means and when Zimmerman stop him to and asked him where he was going he did just that.

That's False Imprisonment.

 

I doubt that he did. But if he had under that law he was in the right to defend himself. But seeing a person with a gun and all I have is some candy and a Canned Tea prevailing in that situation you're going to loose.

Hell where I live at now we have a problem and we've notified the police of the problem. But the danger is not us it's to the person themselves. We all think the person is crazy to a degree.

 

We all have stories of bigotry and racism. And none of them have anything to do with the Trayvon vs Zimmerman case.

 

What if the person was a White Female and no witnesses? And she called the cops first? I got a co-worker that's in jail for that very reason. And they haven't let him out yet. This has been going on for 3 months.

And he's White. Let's just say you have the expectation of being cleared of any wrong doing, but this isn't a simple Law and Order Case that can be solved in 1 hour.