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My new arrow set up- Will It work?

Discussion in 'Traditional Archery' started by Schultzy, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. Schultzy

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    My big Snuffers got here yesterday along with my other stuff I ordered. Let me tell you these 160 grain Snuffers are huge and man are they built like tanks!!! I'm really Impressed by how there made and another thing that surprised me was that these are much sharper then the other Snuffers (125 screw ons) I usually get. I wasn't just too Impressed though by the amount of FOC I gained. I went from 7.1% with my other set up (33.75" 2216 with 125 grain Snuffer weighing 561 grains) to 12.2% FOC with this set up (33.75" 2216 with 160 grain glue on Snuffers with a 43 grain adapter weighing 634 grains total). I then decided to cut 2" off one of my arrows being my draw length Is 28" and I was also hoping to gain In FOC. Well I didn't gain much- 12.4% FOC and I lost 34 grains In the process so we'll see what arrow flys better be It the 31.75 or the 33.75 arrow or possibly neither. If neither works, possibly a look at Full Metal Jackets. Yes Joe, you read that right!;) Thank Russ for that! Today I might be able to test these out If time Is on my side. I'm really curious on this. Here's some pics of the new Snuffers on my arrows. They have a cutting diameter of 1 15/32.




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    Steve.

    Sorry I just had to vote the smart ass way:deer:

    As to what lenght is going to fly the best well only shooting them is going to tell you.

    But with those big heads you might get some planing.

    What do you have on the back end to steer them 4" or 5" feathers?
     
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    No need to apologize, I did that for you and wouldn't expect anything different!!;)
    4" 4 fletched feathers.
     
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    Jeff


    Only if you intend to use those heads for hunting.

    I am a firm believer in tuning with the heads your going to be using.;)


    Steve.

    The 4x4 should work with them if it was going to be a 3x4 then I would suggest going with 3x5:woot:
     
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    Good advice Russ! Jeff did you get the Heritage 250's???? What's the draw weight of your new bow?
     
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    Holy smokes Steve, those thongs are huge!!!!!!!! What was the reason to cut the 2" off your arrow!
     
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    I was seeing If I would gain In FOC Is all. Only gained a little. I also noticed that my draw length Isn't what It once was. When I 1st started hunting with a recurve 14 years back my draw length didn't shrink an Inch, It was 29" just like my compounds. A few years ago I checked It for the heck of It and I was right at 28.5". Last night when I checked It again I'm a tad under 28". 14 years later my draw length might have finally settled In to what most other Traditional shooters get right away- loosing an Inch or 2 In draw length from compounds.
     
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    My other Snuffers (screw on 125's) were very strong heads but I gaurantee these (glue on 160's) are twice as strong. They are built like a tank!!:tu:
     
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    Jeff are you planning on really beefing up the tip weight, the reason I ask is I shoot a 150's out of 50# bows that are 30" and borderline stiff! You must be pulling longer that 28"???
     
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    Jeff.

    Even if they are the same weight they are going to have different flight characteristics.

    What you will end up doing is tuning for big ugly, maybe have to cut the shaft back some to stiffen the spine to get optium flight, then put on the smaller head only to find out you are now over spined and have horrible flight which we all know leads to poor penetration.

    How many times have we seen it over on the other forum about someone switching heads to the same weight only to find they dont shoot worth a crap??????

    Basicly what you will have to do is spend double the time and possibly money to tune everything up.

    Thats why I say tune your bow/arrow to the heads you intend to use.

    I know in therory what you are saying should work, but everything that sounds good in therory usually turns to crap when put into practice:d
     
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    Thats the way I do it.

    I want my set up to be optium for hunting;)
     
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    I'm not answering for Russ here but In my opinion always tune your bow/arrow for BH's 1st. I'd bet both set ups will be more similar then you think (at close yardages anyway). That's what I'm going to do anyway. If there off a tad between the 2, you'll adjust to It as you shoot your fp's longer. Once hunting gets closer, get rid of the tips and adjust yourself back to shooting BH's. In some cases BH's fly different but as long as you've got good arrow flight with both set ups, that's what matters IMO.
     
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    Hey Steve.

    You thought any on what we talked about yesterday:confused: :d
     
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    Lol!! Still pondering yet.;)
     
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    I tuned to my FP's first, screwed my BH's on and had to change nothing! I then switched up heads and still had perfect flight, I shoot Snuffers and Woodsmans that fly like darts I tell ya!
     
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    Jeff, when I first read you were going with 250's I thought to myself your going to have a hell of a time! Are you going with weighted inserts??
     
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    Well I glued a 43 grain Aluminum adapter on to a 160 grain glue on Snuffer and threw them on a 31.875" Easton XX75 2216 Aluminum arrow 4" 4 fletched (Length of arrow Includes the Snuffer). They weigh out at 614 grains with an FOC of 12.54%. I then took my recurve out once again and shot this new arrow set up of mine. They flew like darts, but then again my old set up did also for the most part. One thing I noticed was I didn't see near the drop In the longer yardages that I had with my lighter set up. I know this set up would be deadly, I know that for a fact being these arrows really thumped my target more then before and the penetration was more with this set up- I was a little worried on the penetration part being these are a huge fixed blade broadhead (1 15/32). No plaining what so ever either but then again I didn't practice past 25 yards. In saying all this though I still might consider going to FMJ's. Russ talked with me on the phone today and gave me a pile of Info on what I'd have for FOC, weight, etc. He also gave me some Info on just carbons alone, I don't know much about these carbon arrows. I'm still debating what I should do, we'll see I guess. I've got about a dozen of these arrows left, maybe I'll just use these up 1st and then start off fresh with them FMJ's. I am going to try and tweak my new set up one more time though and see what happens. I'm going to get some steel 100 grain adapters and throw one of them on a Snuffer and see how that flys.

    Thanks for all the good Info Russ with the FMJ's and other questions I had and thanks also to everyone else, great discussion!!:tu:
     
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    Thats called momentium;)

    My pleasure to educate you Steve.:tu:

    No worries mate anytime you have a question you have my number.;)
     
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    I've not used weight tubes.. so, correct me if I'm off base about them. My understanding is that weight tubes allow you to increase the overall weight of your arrow, with little or no change in spine. I'd be cautious about getting them in the shaft so they don't move at all.. I had a friend who shot aluminum arrows that we removed the insert and partially filled the shaft with water.. man, does that mess things up bad..

    I did learn one thing the hard way.. heads with wide blades require more arrow weight behind them or they won't penetrate very well. Sounds like you've got that covered.


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    A cheaper method of adding weight is with line trimmer cord;)

    Just put a lenght of it in the shaft it wont effect spine and you can a lot of weight real quick depending on the thickness of the cord.
     

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