Well th kids both scored on these bucks. Son got a 9 and a button and daughter got a really nice 11point. My daughter hadn't hunted the last few seasons. I got an 8 earlier in archery and talked her into going rifle hunting witn all the nice bucks I got on trail cam. Didn't get this 11 on trail cam though. 12 year old nephew got his 1st deer too, a young doe. I didn't have permission to post his photo on the internet .