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Muzzy Trocar 100... What gives?

Discussion in 'Intro to Bowhunting & Archery' started by f.c.geil, Nov 3, 2014.

  1. f.c.geil

    f.c.geil Weekend Warrior

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    I recently purchased my first hunting bow (see signature for details), and decided to get Muzzy Trocar 100s for my broad heads. They shoot about eight inches low and eight inches left (compared to field points of same weight). I expected them to be somewhat different, but this is a lot. Worse, about one out of every five will randomly go four FEET to the left. I've marked the arrows, so I know that is isn't one bad one. What the heck is going on??? I need to be able to trust my shots before I'll make a try on game, so any advice would be most welcome.
     
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    Is your bow out of tune?
     
  3. f.c.geil

    f.c.geil Weekend Warrior

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    I can't imagine it is. I've only put 300 arrows through it.
     
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    Who tuned the bow to begin with? I would recommend doing a google search on broadhead tuning if you are comfortable making adjustments yourself, else take it back to the dealer, if you can, as most will tune the bow for various prices. I have not shot the trocar but it looks a lot like the Rocky Mt Blitz which flew pretty good. I would recommend the Slick Trick, NAP Thunderhead or QAD Exodus heads as I know these heads fly good out of a somewhat tuned bow. Slick Tricks are a little less expensive which is why I recommended them. Good luck and if you get stuck put up a post.

    Also what is the spine on your arrows, draw length and poundage of bow those are important to know as well.
     
  5. f.c.geil

    f.c.geil Weekend Warrior

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    It was originally tuned by a Hoyt competitive shooter (also the pro-shop owner), so I would think he'd know what he's doing, but maybe he didn't actually tune it in. I'm a bass player and retired chef (so I can tune a radio, and I can tuna fish), but I don't know anything about tuning a compound bow. I used to shoot longbow and recurve competitively, so tuning a bow means putting on a new string and waxing it... I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't know jack about tuning a compound. I'm not afraid of it, though, as I'm decent with an hex key.

    I've tried both .400 and .340 Easton Aftermath arrows, and the .340 are somewhat better (8" left, elevation correct vs. 8" off on both). I draw 29" with 27 ½" arrow. My Faktor 30 has 65# limbs, which are all the way in, so supposedly it is at 68#). Are these other heads significantly better than the Trocars? I got them because they are supposed to be such true fliers, but if there is a better head, I have no issue switching.
     
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    My brother had the same problem when he purchased the same broadheads. He ended up having to adjust evwrything on his bow to get the broadheads flying properly. He went back to the shop where he purchased and who also recommended them and they said they also had to highly fine tune the bow before using them. So from your story and his they fly completely different than field points.
     
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    f.c.geil Weekend Warrior

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    Lovely. Guess it's time for new broadheads and a good tune.
     
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    IMHO, you may need to look up the procedures for adjusting TILLER on your bow. I have never seen, which does not mean I'm right, but no two limbs made by any manufacture are the same, close, but not exactly the same, therefore the ballance cant possibly accurate if both limb bolts are bottomed out, this throws the cam sync out of ballance, therefore your shots are all over the board. Now, there are ALOT more people on here with alot more knowledge on proper tiller set-up, than I. But I would start there first before buying anything else,...again, just my opinion,...
     
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    I have trocars and they fly fine for me... Maybe your arrows are not squared off at the end and when you/the shop put the insert in it is causing it to not sit level causing a very poor flight path? Just a guess, but from my experience mine shoot great out of my bow
     
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    Never been a muzzy fan at all...but I was given a couple packages of Trocars when they first came out to try and I have to say they really shot very well.
    I even went to far as to kill and deer with them and they performed great. Huge hole and excellent penetration.
    I still have them being use on one of my back up bows.

    The only negative I seen with them is blade changes are a pain in the *** with the little Allen screw..
     
  11. f.c.geil

    f.c.geil Weekend Warrior

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    More to think about. I'll run to the pro shop today (two-hour round trip. Yay), run this by them, see if we can't get it sorted out. Thanks for all the advice, I'll let you know how it all turns out.
     
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    I also use muzzy trocar 100's. They too for me shoot very well. Have had to do a very basic (standard) broadhead tune to get them flying true to about 50 yards. (Could be better but that's my comfort zone as of now)
     
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    So I went to the pro shop where I bought the bow, and they're closed all week. Aargh! Two hours down the toilet. So, I called a local pro shop, went there, and the bow is/was properly tuned - at least all the obvious/easy to check stuff. It is drawing a measured 67 lb. on 65 lb. limbs (good news, Hoyt's reputation is intact there). We checked the obvious stuff with my arrows, too, and the only noticeable possible issue there was that the blades on the Trocar's were inline with the fletching. This pro believes that messes up the airflow over the fletching, so we adjusted the blades so that they split the difference with the fletching. I also bought a dozen Gold Tip 340 arrows with field tips and a pack of Slick Tricks (I was about out of arrows, and these were the closest in-stock arrows to what I had been using that he could recommend). Well, I got home, and every one of my arrows flies true to the pin at twenty yards, at least within an inch or so. When the wind dies down some more, I'll back up a bit, and see what happens there. So far, I'm very impressed with the Slick Tricks - but the Trocars fly great now that they're offset.

    Thanks to all for the advice and help, I truly appreciate it.
     
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    with fixed blade broadheads everything will be magnified if out of tune so you would definitely want to broadhead tune your bow, and if that doesn't fix the problem go try American Broadhead Company's Supersonics they flew like field points out of one of my bows and it wasn't even tuned not even a paper tune.
     

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