Moreso than any other election, people seem to voting against the other candidate

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  1. cj22drake

    cj22drake Weekend Warrior

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    Obama killed my former job as a coal miner. Obama stands for many sinful things that I don't agree with, and Hillary is ready to take the reigns and continue the trend. Trump isn't perfect by any means but I truly believe he will turn things around. He is maybe the only person who can cut back or maybe completely end all of this political correctness junk. Plus I'd love to see him undo all Obama has done.
     
  2. CoveyMaster

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    I think it's an egregious error to vote for a third party this time around or to not even vote. If Hillary gets in she'll give liberals the supreme court for decades. I know it's an over used statement but I honestly don't believe the nation we love will survive that, if it happens. Say goodbye to guns, free speech and freedom (or what's left of it), not to mention say hello to millions more immigrants from mexico and the middle east.

    Trump may be an arrogant hothead but I sincerely believe he loves the country and that he means most of what he says he wants to do as president. I can't guarantee Trump will be a good president but I can guarantee Hillary will be the same crooked, corrupt witch and crappy public servant and leader she's always been.

    This isn't the time to hold to some high horse principles and waste a vote on a third party candidate, the supreme court alone is far far far too important. If Trump is lying about who he'd appoint then so be it, I know exactly the kind of socialist ***** Hillary would appoint.
     
  3. Spear

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    I really do hate the 2 party system and ironically it's one of the few major things George Washington warned us of in his farewell address, as did other founding fathers. We screwed up after one freaking president...although luckily we had a few really good ones along the way. Unfortunately I don't see us having many more without a major overhaul.
     
  4. Hooker

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    Not this election though. Many, many life long democrats do not like Hillary. All the ones I know wanted Bernie and cannot stand Hillary. But they will justify voting for Hillary by "well at least it isn't Trump" thought.

    Ironically, many of the Bernie voters are moving towards voting Libertarian, which is just really odd, but I'll take it.
     
  5. Hooker

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    I honestly have no idea how y'all trust Trump to do anything he says. I think Trump lies just as much as Hillary. I, at least, know what we would get with Hillary (basically an Obama 3rd term), I have no idea what we would get with Trump.

    And besides, Trump is not going to beat Hillary. So, IMO, this is the perfect time to vote 3rd party and show the GOP that we want an actual viable candidate, not a clown and not some stiff board like the last elections either. Now is the time for the GOP to make a shift.
     
  6. CoveyMaster

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    I know what would fix the nation but many wouldn't like it. The electoral process needs to change. Each state needs the same number of delegates. The nation is comprised of individual states, as it is you have a few of those states ruling the majority just because they have higher population rates...that is not fair. Each state should have equal representation, that is where the imbalance has started and how things have gotten so bad with the government.

    #2 is the media and #3 is education, there is no place in either one for political partiality or political activism, tied for one of those spots is political activism from the courts.
     
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    I trust Trump to do what is healthy for a business environment and that is a healthy economy and safe nation. That's how I can trust Trump to do what he says, or try to, he still has to have help from congress.

    I disagree with the idea that Trump can't beat Hillary. You just said yourself that many bernie voters are moving to a third party, if democrat turnout is low or shifts towards a third party then you have a pretty wide open race.
     
  8. Spear

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    Calling it trust is a bit overboard. I'd rather gamble my money with the chance of winning every once in a while than immediately throwing it in the trash. Again, what will voting for Gary Johnson accomplish? If you think any politician of either party will look at 3rd party votes in the presidential election and decide they need to change you are sorely mistaken. The approval ratings for both parties are already in the dumps, do you think they really care? Just like the FBI ruling from yesterday, they live above the law.
     
  9. remmett70

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    I don't trust Trump, but with Trump there is a chance he follows through on even a couple of the things he has promised and that alone would be better than what we have had for the last 8 years or what we would get with Hillary. If Trump turns out to be a complete liar. We would still be no worse off than with Hillary.
     
  10. Hooker

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    Eh...
     
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    I agree the electoral process needs to change. But all states being treated as equal is not the answer either, because they are not all equal. There has to be a balance. The biggest problem I see with the electoral college is that states can give 100% of their electoral votes to a candidate that gets less than 50% of the actual vote.
     
  12. Hooker

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    Legitimacy next election cycle if they get enough of the popular vote

    They will if they keep losing
     
  13. Spear

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    If you think they are on different sides to begin with then they've already won. (ok, maybe 5% of politicians have good intentions)
     
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    so why not try and vote for a 3rd party?!
     
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    Sigh...I know, I know. I'm sitting here laughing because I agree with the purpose, I have no answer. Well I do but it's illegal to discuss.
     
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    There's zero percent chance that a third party candidate will ever become a viable option because people are afraid that their vote for a third party candidate will actually be a vote for their least desirable candidate. A conservative that votes for a third party candidate that doesn't actually have a chance of winning becomes a vote for the liberal. The conservative does not want that vote to help a liberal and vice versa.

    The entire system will have to change.
     
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    Proportional Electoral distribution would go a long way in helping. It would allow for 3rd party candidates to actually take electoral votes away from both parties.
     
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    Let me take a look at my options:

    (1) - Vote for Trump. (I am a hopeful idiot.)

    (2) - Vote for Clinton. (I am an idiot.)

    (3) - Not vote, write in or vote for another party. (I am a delusional idiot.)

    I am going with hopeful.
     
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    Why are they not all equal? I realize they are not viewed as such now but maybe they should be...so why not?
     
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    I live in North Dakota. Trump is guaranteed to win there. So, me voting for someone like Johnson is not a wasted vote. Plus, I can't stand Trump. A handful of swing states will decide the election.
     

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