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More Deep Thoughts about Good and Evil

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Tony, Mar 5, 2011.

  1. Fitz

    Fitz Legendary Woodsman

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    If I work in a restaurant as a dish washer, aren't my priorities different than that of the server or Manager.

    u·ni·form·i·ty

      /ˌyu[​IMG]nəˈfɔr[​IMG][​IMG]ti/ [yoo-nuh-fawr-mi-tee]
    –noun, plural -ties. 1. the state or quality of being uniform; overall sameness, homogeneity, or regularity: uniformity of style.

    2. something uniform.


    In my opinion, and by this definition, I would strongly argue that the Body of the Church is not uniform! Cooperation? Yes! Uniformity? no.

    Jesus was not uniform in how He healed. He was not uniform in how He taught. His choice in disciples was not uniform. The Gospels are not uniform. The way the Holy Spirit interacts with us today is not uniform. The way we come to Christ is not uniform. Our journeys with Jesus are not uniform.
     
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    I think the difficulty with which one is confronted is your belief that the Bible is the Word of God and the only source of Truth. But that is only your OPINION. It may be a sincere opinion based on a lifetime of faithful belief, but there are billions of people in this world who have differing opinions from yours, based on equally strong and sincere faith. I don't think you have any objective proof that the details of your faith, however sincere, are any more accurate than someone elses.

    There are many scriptures and many religious teachings, all of them held in high regard by those who follow them. I think a Christian has to be humble enough to concede that God could be revealed in different ways to different people.

    You mention the Islamic terrorists. Were they right? Their beliefs were just as sincerely held, perhaps more so, than yours. I don't believe that the sincerity of a belief proves its truth. That would apply to them and you as well.

    I believe in God and I believe in a spiritual world. I believe that the universe is a result of some, you might say action, of a spiritual presence which I call God. But the God who set the universe into being is not a grandfather in the sky. That presence is everywhere. That presence IS the universe in fact.

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  3. Tony

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    I never said different ... and it is NOT opinion to me .. it is FACT. I feel sorry that the god you serve doesn't let you know anything and you are forced to guess as to what reality is ...so sad ...

    A Christian has to be humble enough to realize that Christ would not leave them here to guess as to what is truth and what is not. I TOTALLY believe that God reveals Himself in many ways ... the Bible says so .... and then the person MUST humble themselves and lay their "truth" aside and accept God's truth ... period! :)

    you obviously didn't read or understand that post ... the fact that sincerity placed wrongly will still lead to HELL .... I said they were sincerely wrong ... read more carefully please ....

    And I know that you are wrong ... read your Bible ....

    what does that mean, anyway? ;)
     
  4. GMMAT

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    PT...this isn't even insinuation. It's blatant denigration.

    Is this how you think God wants you to bear witness? I'm not judging you. I'm asking you.

    Do you understand where one believer (or more) feels that other Christians can be turn-ff-ish?
     
  5. Tony

    Tony Legendary Woodsman

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    Bull, Jeff ..... it is truth according to all she has said and I DO feel sorry and sad for her ... and for ALL that do not believe the Bible is God's Word ...

    Yes

    You have done both ... you know you have, as does everyone that saw your response ..... but no matter .. if I responded in aggravation, I would have apologized .. but I didn't, so I won't



    Uh ... YEAH!!! it goes both ways ... just make sure YOU are following God, Jeff .... now judge away ....
     
  6. GMMAT

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    I'm not judging you.....unless you fault me for pointing out a fact.

    I'm not here to argue with you. I'm trying to see if you can see how your message comes across. I can't be the first person to point out to you that some Christians turn more people away from God....than they do bring them TO him. A renowned man once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ". - Gandhi

    Let me ask you this......

    If I tell you I've accepted Jesus Christ......do you think I'm going to Heaven? God said that's what I needed to do. If the answer is "yes", then why would you or anyone else feel the need to dissect my path? I'm using "me/my" only as an example. Generally speaking - let's say.



    Here's something else that's been making me go "hmmmmmm"....

    Can you tell me what "God's image" (re: God created man in his own image) means? Can you describe God? Can you describe God's image at the point of creation? Is it the same now, as it was then?

    I think a lot of you, Tony. Otherwise, I'd dismiss your thoughts with no care.
     
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  7. Tony

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    I am not Jesus, Jeff .... but most people didn't like the way HE came across, and He only spoke truth ... so most people do not like truth.... unfortunately I have let my flesh get in the way all to often ... but truth is truth and it needs to be said different ways at different times ...

    Let me first say that I would NEVER judge your salvation if you claimed to be ..... it is also important to know what the Bible says about many of those that profess Christ .. in Matthew 7 Jesus says: "21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    and He goes on to say how HE will judge: "24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

    Now that is God's Word ..... and by giving this Scripture, it is in no way a shot at you .... it just addresses your question fully ... God will judge everyone INDIVIDUALLY .... and NO ONE will be able to point their finger ant anyone else (their witness, lack of grace, circumstances, etc) as they will stand before a Holy God ALONE


    I believe according to the Word of God that the image of God is Body (Jesus Christ), Soul (God the Father, and Spirit (Holy Spirit)

    Animals do not have a soul .... only humans do. Our soul consists of our mind, will, and emotions. We are born spiritually dead because of sin. When we are born-again, we are born of the Spirit of God ... our spirit is made alive ... this is a HUGE study and it is not without TONS of questions as we only see things like this dimly .... but one day we will know even as we are known :)
     
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    So, lets look at the word "accord" as the disciples were in one mind and one accord in the upper room on the day of Pentecost.

    ac·cord

    1. To cause to conform or agree; bring into harmony.

    2. Agreement; harmony: act in accord with university policies.

    3. A settlement or compromise of conflicting opinions.

    Not saying that we are all in this state of mind, but I will say we should be according to God's word.

    Different situations are sometimes handled differently, but the Word of God, which is the mind of Christ, never changes.
     
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    Can you describe this "image", though? Has it changed? Could it change?
     
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    This is a question for those who can not seem to agree with the Bible.

    Have you found a better way of life in any other book, shape, form, or fashion? Be honest.

    I have not found any.
     
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    OK...describe God - per the Bible. What does God look like? What form does God take? Was God always in his present form? Has God changed? Elaborate on what the Bible tells us.

    I'm not sure what so many Christians are afraid of. God didn't supply us with a mind; reasoning; Intelligence....and expect us not to use them............did he?

    Then, we'll see if we agree or disagree.
     
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    We are to worry about us in this dispensation of time and this place .... that question has NOTHING to do with us ....
     
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    I read that too. Keep in mind that it's just preliminary findings and still is subject to peer review. But it would be unrealistic to think that, given the vastmess of the universe, there is not other life out there, even intelligent life like us, yet unlike us.

    Christians can find the biblical accounts more acceptable if they realize that they were written by people who thought the earth was flat and that the sun traveled across the sky. When I was considering converting to the Catholic faith, I asked the priest if I would be required to accept the creation stories etc., which would not be possible for me to do. He told me that the pope has stated that there is no conflict between the Bible and evolution. What we need to concentrate on are the moral truths, which I believe will be possessed even by people, if there are any, living in other galaxies.


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    May The Sheep Be With You

    (This is a takeoff on that line in the Stars Wars movies, "May the Force be with you.")
     
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    Body Soul and Spirit ... Jesus was the PHYSICAL manifestation of God ... He IS God, but He did everything thru the power of The Holy Spirit ... In essence God is 3 distinct Persons in one Creator


    I am not sure what you are asking .... God changes not says the Bible ... He is the same yesterday, today, and forever ...
     
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    I interpret this to mean he is "good". You're interpreting something different? Dang......that happens?
     
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    Are you talking about science or religion?

    To be honest, why does one need to live their lives according to the dictations of a book? Nearly all of us, regardless of religious affiliation or lack thereof, know the basic premises of right and wrong or good and bad. What did our ancestors do years ago before written word?

    I'm comfortable with not believing in a religion (Christianity, Hindu, Jewish, Islam, etc.). I'm comfortable with those whom wish to believe in a religion so long as it's not detrimental to their health and well being. What I have problems with is when those whom are polarized refuse to allow others to believe what they want and feel that their way is the only way.
     
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    Does it matter?

    I am curious, who has stopped you from believing your way? Could you give an example?
     
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    Honestly Jeff, you seem like your in a awkward position in your life. This is just an outsider looking in. I realize its your style to debate by endless circular questioning. That's just the way you are. Nothing particularly wrong with it.

    But I see Tonys point. Sometimes you just to give it straight to a person and walk away.

    I myself am at the point where no matter how many questions I could answer for you, with no matter how many examples, nothing is going to change your point of view. And there is nothing wrong with that either.

    Just hope the best for you.
     
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    I was asking you because it can be applied equally to religion and science.

    I am referring to those whom are pushy with their beliefs and will not accept that others have different views and beliefs.
     

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