I may be different than most folks (I've known this for a long time), but when I actually talk and hear about scientific discoveries I actually think that could be the hand of God. When you really look at all that science has discovered it really is awe inspiring. The intricate designs of animals, plants, rocks, human emotions, etc. are so unbelievably complex that something on a grander scale must exist. To me, God and science go hand in hand. I see no division.
BC...my point was....how do you know the earth is round, other than taking the word of th experts? Why do thoughts like this so threaten some Christians?
I know its round, because we, mankind has proven it in the here and now. I myself have flew to japan from San Fran, then to India, then to London, then back to Dulles. Within the time frame, speed reported from the plane captain, I am to assume we made a round trip. We can do it over and over again. Unlike evolution, as some on here see it like yourself. My point was not to flame you in any way, but to point out how assumptions can be wrong because of lack of information. Let say a new civilation after say a meteor event (that wiped off mankind or most of it) went to your house and found a dress. They might assume your a crossdresser. When in fact, they didn't have all the information. They didn't know that you had a wife, and that was the norms for the time period for women to wear dresses. I know your going to blow this off, but this is about the reasoning I have seen some take to conclude one thing or another about a archaeology dig. I sure wouldn't try to lump Christians into this. I myself have explained my thoughts to many Indian Ph.D's, smart folks, and they have admitted, I have a valid point. Christian, Hindu, athiest, that dog just don't hunt.
HA HA HA!! That's hilarious. I would really love to hear what scientific community your in that believes evolution is a farce. We all know you're a pretty hardcore christian so to tell me you are a part of some scientific "community" that just so happens not to believe in evolution? Oh I get it, you're going to believe a book that was revised and written countless times over by people that were far more ignorant than the average person today but those people called scientists with "PhD's" that live in today's world....boy, they got it all wrong!
So mankind and the animal kingdom......have been present on earth (in their present state), since God placed them here? No changing? No evolving?
Jeff, this is called a Type IV danish dagger. Do you know when they said people made these? Before the Neolithic period. I have tried several attempts at making one, and still cannot. One of the hardest knapping projects one can take on. But these folks were supposally much less evolved than us. Just the stitching alone in the handle takes incredible skill. But pre-neolithic man accomplished it. And it wasn't just one gifted man, but several. All over the nortic regions.
So, your not going to even try to find out? Your just going to believe whatever someone fed you? Thats sad. I know many Ph.D's that don't buy the whole theory. In fact, there is not one person in my group that doesn't have a PH.D besides myself.
Now, your getting into macro vs. micro differences. Remember the the deer example. Oh, we change from our enviroment, food we eat, and just plain breeding. But from monkeys? No. Unless there is proof. I haven't seen any.
Oh you mean like 99% of church audiences that absorb the nonsense that priests, ministers, reverends and whoever else blurbs out at church? Excuse me, while I believe facts over faith. Again, I would really like to know more about this "group?"
Go to your local college and sign up for classes. You can take my route and get a BSEE, and a MS. Or go into physics, or other sciences. Its amazing what you can learn when you try. Why do you think its still a theory? Do you know what a theory is? If everyone knows different, then why is still a theory?
So. we're back to the false dichotomy, again? I mean heck.....if Darwin believed in God..........why do so many Christians have a problem with him?
Well, I am not sure how far to break it down for you. Honestly, you seem to not understand what evolution is or the difference in types of evolution. I could be totally off. From your line of questioning, which I think I have been complete on answering, you seem to have the basic common understanding, for lack of a better term. I have showed you elementary examples of my reasonings. I have even showed you an artifact or repro. But you glance over these, and nothing, no comment, no open dialogue. See, I am very comfortable with not knowing and not making a judgement on how far evolution goes from a micro sense. Therefore, its not a false dilemma for me or one way or the other. Or the fancy catch phrase thats trendy to use "false dichotomy".
I could have said "either/or", if that helps. Did Darwin believe in God? If so, why would he create a theory that nullifies his existence? The answer, of course, is.................he didn't.
You can use any words you want. All I know is I see micro evolution. We can prove it. Over and over. Hense the deer in Canada compared to Fl. But beyond that, I just don't see the evidence. And I am comfortable saying, I don't know. I am not comfortable just taking another's word for it when it appears on the outside, untested, and rather silly. I mean who knows, maybe they will find some even transition bones/fossils/preserves, that is beyond the shadow of doubt in the future. But right now, its akin to the crossdressing example I gave you.
You can replace "untested" with "unproven" and describe all of science. Is science rather silly? Science says if 1000 people step off a hundred story building, they'll fall to their death. Now, you might get lucky, being no. 1001 and float safely to the ground. But, I'd say it would be a rather silly assumption for you to attempt it.
No, you can't replace untested with unproven in all science. See, this is where you appear to not understand the scientific process. Look up scientific method and you might see where you have steered incorrectly. Your confusing what we can repeat over and over today, with a one time event. Its fairly simple.
Why not take it all the way back. Go back as far as science has gone. Now ask the scientist where the first "matter" came from. He, in no way, can give an intelligent answer. Why? Because "nothing" can not create something. "Something" has never just came from "nothing". If you believe differently, I would say, prove it. As I sit here typing, I really can not recall man as having evolved any in the last hundred years from the "monkey to man" bologna. What I have witnessed is that man has, and is, following the "exact" path the Bible says he would. I will stick with my belief that God created. Where He came from is something I guess we will know one day.
Careful. I believe in God. What I don't understand is........why some want to put religion in some box and define it. Why couldn't God have created life differently than conventional religion defines? Now.....who's closed-minded?
