Well first my dog is not a legal to shoot, and second my dog is 5 lbs long haired Dachshund, so I am thinking you could tell the difference. If my neighbor shoots a Giant buck that I believe is the spirit of my grandfather, should I call foul? Where does it end? Believe in Science or not does not change the facts They have ever right to follow up on their belief and not shoot the moose. I don't really care until they harass a hunter who shot the moose legally.
Agree. The guy should not have been slammed. He didn't know their culture, and he was legal. I do like how he is working with them to make peace...why not. But he shouldn't have to. He was legal.
What would be interesting to see is this: Germ is hunting public hand where this moose was shot, he now knows the culture and has told himself not to shoot a "spirit moose". Germ has paid 15,000 grand to go on this hunt, he gets one Bull Moose. It's now the last day and the spirit moose steps into range, I wonder how many would actually let it walk. The moose is legal to shoot, who's shooting?
It never ends...that's the idea of living in harmony with others. It never really ends. I get that shooting your dog is not legal and the hunter was (like I said bad example), but the natives hold the same feelings for the moose as you hold for your dog. I'm not agreeing with the natives. The hunter was legal to shoot it, it's his moose. I guess shamed into it or not, flamed or not, hated and ostracized or not, it was a great gesture for him to offer the hide.
I can't say I would hold off the shot. But I would probably refrain from posting it everywhere. That's a tough one. I'm not one to stomp on others beliefs, but if the animal isn't protected then it's fair game.
Let's turn this around a little bit. Americans hold the bald eagle as sacred, so much so that it is illegal to possess any part of an eagle, however Native American can be exempt from this law, and many choose to possess, wear and display eagle feathers even though we hold the eagle to be sacred. They use their culture and spiritual believe to defend their ability to do so, yet they do not respect our believe system. We hold eagles as sacred, yet they continue to use them in whatever way they see fit. They hold "white" animals as sacred, yet get offended and upset when we do whatever we see fit with an animal that we do not see as sacred. Seems like a bit of a double standard to me.
The issue would be not you posting it everywhere, but others who do. Once it's on the web there is no taking it back.
Not at all. Any and all bald eagle kill permits are issued for use on tribal lands only. They chose to do so on their land, we (the hunter) chose to do so on ours.
There are basically no kill permits issued on bald eagles. There have been a couple a exceptions, but they are extremely far and few between. Possessing and displaying eagle feathers can be done anywhere, not just on tribal land. Federally recognized tribe members are completely exempt from the law. I personally do not have any problems with them being exempt from the law, just pointing out that people tend to cry foul only when it benefits them.
They are using the eagle feathers BECAUSE they are sacred..... Laws regarding the eagle are not based off of Americans holding them as sacred. these laws were first born due to the Bald Eagle being endangered, and our national bird. Although no longer endangered it is still our national bird / symbol, and the laws therefore remain in place. Lucky for us the Eagle stuck because I do believe the Wild Turkey had the first nomination. Just dont think the Eagle would taste as good nor feed as many folks on Thanksgiving.
FTR I am shooting, I do think it is nice of the guy to allow the tribe to use the hide. He didn't have to, nor was he forced into doing it.
They are sacred to both natives and non-natives, but for completely separate reason. My point is that they do not care about nor do they consider our feeling when they are applying for a kill permit, or using eagle parts in their rituals. The bald eagle is our nation symbol, that's why it is sacred to Americans.
Might as well take their Sacred Moose, I mean we took everything else. Maybe give them a casino or something. Sarcasm, but seriously we did the Native Americans dirty.
My issue is how rude/threatening the posts were to the hunters and the guides. From people who self-identified with the tribe/band. (and plenty of Petards but they don't matter here) It wasn't pretty, it wasn't nice. So.... my first inclination would be a big "Go pound sand." I can't link to the FB stuff because the guide and hunters had to take down their pages because of all the B.S.. Respecting someone's beliefs is; not belittling it, not pissing on it, not flaunting your disbelief in it. For the Hindu comparison it would be pulling into the temple parking lot with a dead cow and then, when informed that cows are sacred... you say, "Oh sorry! Didn't mean to upset you." and then driving away. Giving up part of your legal acquired cow in order to placate their beliefs goes well beyond just 'respect'. I think it's nice that the hunters did give the hide back... but they wouldn't be disrespectful if they didn't.
