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Monte Ball > Trent Richardson

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  1. gutone4me

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    But still no love in the Heisman conversation :confused::busted:
     
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    He is not sexy enough for the voters.
     
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    Anyone outside of the state of Wisconsin disagrees with you. Richardson has comparable stats, an unquestionably harder schedule of defenses, and the wow factor of piggy backing 4-5 defenders at once for additional yardage gains.

    I think the real injustice is everyone considering Luck the given for a QB heisman winner. RG3 has a better completion percentage, more touchdowns, less interceptions, and a much much harder schedule than Stanford. I can't stand the Luck slobfest that has went on all year. He is a great player, but not to the degree he is portrayed.
     
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    Since the Badger game was a romp I tuned into a little Bama VS Auburn. Auburns QB couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat he missed at least 3 wide open guys while I watched including the pick 6.

    If the WI team that took the field today played the Roll Tide team that played today they would receive a WI beatdown ! ! :beer:
     
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    What about Russel Wilson? Should he not be included as well?


    The fact is that the Badgers lost two games and that virtually eliminates any player from any big ten squad from Heisman consideration.
     
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    Only a B1G fan could say that about a team who dominated a top 25 opponent in the most heated rivalry of all college football 42-14. Nobody this year stands a chance against Bama or LSU, simply because of their defense.

    I think he deserves a bid, but not the trophy.

    IMO Robert Griffin III has clearly won the trophy this year. IDK if the voters will allow it, but he deserves it.
     
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    Alabama 27 PSU 11

    Wisconsin 45 PSU 7

    On a neutral field. I think we stand "a chance" with anyone.

    Just saying.
     
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    HAHAHAHA The big 10 bias on this board always cracks me up. Just a few short weeks ago no one stood a chance agaisnt Wisconson...now not so much huh...but Bama sure is lucky to duck them....You guys need to take the blinders off, you are a good team but LSU and Bama are on another level this year. On any given Saturday could U of W beart them, well yeah sure could...but to state it as you guys are doing is funny to me.


    And by the way, your boy has alot of TD's, and he is very good but he cannot hold Richardson's jock this year. No back can...I know what my sig says, but I am not biased at all, I actually am one of the few who will not be pissed if BAMA gets jumped, we had our chance and lost. Now if we back our way in and win i will yell as loud as any. Round here the biggest game of the year just ended with the Barners getting stomped...
     
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    I thought the most heated rivalry was played at the big house today. I'm so confused.
     
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    I think Alabama/Auburn is as big as it gets, but that is from my point of view down here. michigan/tOSU and a few others are just as big, with the mindset that coaches with good records loose their job if they don't win that game consistantly.
     
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    RRR is just as big as any of those games. RGIII deserves the heisman. Weather he gets it or not is a different story. I just hope Luck doesn't win it.
     
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    Richardson has piled up his 1,583 rushing yards and 23 touchdowns against eight top-50 defenses nationally. Entering the final weekend of the regular season, no other Heisman Trophy contender had faced more than four top-50 defenses.

    Anyone still think they have performed on level playing fields? To add to this, Wisconsins only back up RB has 6 TDs. Bama gives legit touches to 2 back ups, who have piled up 11 TDs. Leave Richardson in instead of his capable backups and he is approaching 30 TDs as well, only against much stiffer competition.

    And to compare Bama playing AT PSU to start the season with Paterno at the helm vs Wisconsin getting the shell of what is left post scandal AT WISCONSIN is silly. They were both routs.


    Look, every year there are about 4-6 people who had great seasons and deserve to be at the heisman show. Those same years its either a clear pick, or comes down to the top 2 guys. This year the top performing QB was hands down RG3 over Luck, and most everyone in the country thinks Richardson is the most impressive RB thus far.

    I think RG3 deserves it, but if he doesn't get it I don't see how it gets past Richardson.
     
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    I agree with everything Trevor has said in this thread.
     
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    I stick with the title of this thread :D 200 more yards and 18 more TD's

    I can't find Richardsons stats from conference championship weekend ? ?

    In the end RG 3 should win the Heisman :beer:
     
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    Stats...LOL
     
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    That's great. He had a nice year. But Richardson is a pure animal. Richardson will be a staple for an NFL team offense for many years.

    Montee Ball? Not so much.
     
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    While I agree with this, it has no place in a Heisman discussion.

    And while I agree Richardson is a better back, stats do play a big part in Heisman voting. As well as who was a preseason favorite. The Heisman voting is really lame sometimes. Everyone wants to hand it to Luck because of his name and preseason expectations. I think there are at least a couple QBs that had better seasons for their respective teams.

    So does the Heisman go to who is the most talented player, or who had the best season? You can vote either way, and thats the problem with this dumb award.
     
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    Well the title of this thread is Ball>Richardson, so I kinda assumed we were talking about talent, not which one if more deserving of the Heisman.
     
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    While watching Monte Ball I think he is similar to Matt Forte and last I checked Matt was pretty good :D
     

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