Milwaukee County Sheriff Runs Radio Ad Urging People to Arm Themselves. 911 too slow

Let me get this straight. Urban folks don't have the same right to own a gun and defend their families that country folk do?

We as gun owners and believers of the 2nd ammendnent can't have it both ways.


Require training in the use and safety of a weapon and require a license to own guns and we eliminate most of the worries associated with gun ownership. Not just a permit but an actual license you have to pass a test to obtain.

Kinda like our orange cards to hunt and driver's license to drive.

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He's right tho, prisons and several leo type jobs have recieved cut backs over the past couple years in Illinois. Yet they cant figure out why they can't control crime. At most given times we have one county sheriff one duty at at time here in adams county. What do u think the response time is here? The last time I had any need for it I got into a wreck because someone pulled out in front of me, 45 mins passed before the cop showed up. Granted no one was injured bit if he woulda been where he came from and I called to say somebody was in my house it still woulda been 20-30 mins. So yea maybe they do need more money put into leo budget.

 

Agreed, its funny people are jus as scared of legal ownership of guns as they are of having to defend themselves. Even if people go out and buy firearms without training doesn't mean they're gonna go out and try to save everyone else jus becsuse they now own a gun.

 

Amen Brett!
And tfox has the right idea. I wouldn't oppose seeing people pass the same course to purchase, as they do to carry.. maybe beef the background checks up a little. Either way, the Sheriff's point is still totally valid.

 

Does it matter if it is urban or rural ?? There is much more crime there then in my rural setting. Course most here have guns and we all know how to use them. I guess I don't see anything wrong with the ad. He is not asking for people to go out and stop crime. He is asking them to be prepared to defend themselves if needed while help is on the way.

What do you think they should do?? Fire him and hire someone that falsely assures everyone's saftey to give the nieve a feeling of bliss. Things are changing and it isn't for the better. As things get tougher, the crime rate will rise. That is a given. It will just spread law enforcement even thinner.


Tim

 

By the time I get done with all your tests... someone will think up a few more. Are we going to be like other countries where it takes years to buy and own a weapon ?? Take a test each time we want to buy a weapon. Take a test if it is a rifle, pistol, shotgun or AR.

Since a bow can be used as a weapon should we go though all the tests for those too.

Maybe we so make it manditory no child can shoot a weapon until they are 18 since they can't legally buy/own a weapon until then. So much for taking our kids hunting.

Let's not open the pandora box anymore then it's already been opened for pete's sake. You need to keep in mind... we won't be the ones making the tests up. It will be our govenment. As of late does it really seem like a good idea ???

Tim

 

Do you buy a license every time you buy a car or get a new safety card to hunt each year?


To buy a gun just show license and walk out with new gun. This would do much more than the registration system we have now.

We already have test for concealed carry. We should just expand on that.

Might save a few lives in the homes of those not familiar with gun safety. Considering there are far more accidents with weapons bought to protect a home than actually used protecting. We as gun owners should he all for it.



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We as gun owners would be for it. I am just not trusting our government to make it happen without taking more from us. You are talking common sense. It's not you I am worried about though. That is my point.

Tim

 

So you don't want these test because its too much of a hassel? And you don't want someone in an urban enviorment telling citizens to arm themselves because they don't know how to use firearms? ( from your other post to bj) That's the biggest problem with this argument, nobody wants to change anything because its a hassle for them nor do they want to put something in place that would require training to someone they feel is below their knowledge or skill with a firearm. Now idk what you have or haven't done but I spent about 4.5 years in Marines, 3 of which I was armed almost everyday as a embassy security guard. So should I say someone who doesn't habe as much training asme not be able to defend themselves because I don't feel they're familiar enough with a firearm. Everyone has to start somewhere and I've met several people that own firearms that I wouldn't want to be anywhere around when live ammuniton is involved. Putting something in place that requires some type of training will only help a little bit its still up to the individual to continue, but at least its something and as others have said is already in place for ccw permits. You can look at what we do here in IL with the foid cards and waiting periods and yea they suck but the foid card is only really a hassle every 5 years. Either way before this is all said and done with there's gonna haveta be compromise on both sides, we jus haveta make sure the pro 2nd ammendment side isn't giving more.

 

Sheriff Clarke was on CNN to defend his ad.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwau...rview-to-defend-gun-ad-f48hsh9-188658171.html

O'Brien began the interview with a clip of Clarke's call-to-arms radio spot from last week.
"Wow. Wow," she said. "What's the goal in this? Because it's kind of scary. Is it to scare people? Is it to get everybody to run out and buy a gun?"



She quoted the police chief in Chicago who said, "If you put more guns on the street expect more shootings. I don't care if they are licensed, legal firearms. People who are not highly trained, putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster."




I hate CNN.

 

^^^^^ Awesome points,

 

I never said they didn't tfox. I just said ALLOT of city folks carrying guns would make ME nervous. Most of the careless gun hunters around here during the deer season allot of times are the city folks. I'm not saying their all like that either but I know more are then not from my experiences. Us country boys were lucky being most of us were raised with guns thus were way ahead of the game when It comes to safety and common sense. In saying that there's plenty of country hicks out there I wouldn't want to be near either when their carrying a gun. When my dad Introduced my brother and I to guns safety was the utmost thing he preached. He preached It pretty much with an Iron fist. It got through to me and my brother. Him and I were fortunate, not allot of others are or will ever be. That's all I'm trying to say.

Tim, great points neighbor!!

 

"Once the wolf is at the door. Once the intruder is inside your home. Once you're on the street and someone sticks a gun in your face to take your car or your wallet, you don't have the option of calling 911."

There has never been a truer statement about the limitations of our civil protection. Law enforcement is primarily reactive when it comes to this type of situation. In most cases, there's not much chance 911 can do anything to help protect you from a home invasion, car jacking, or robbery. You can either react and protect yourself, or plead for mercy from a criminal!

 

I agree with you.

We just can't have it both ways. We either support the 2nd ammendnent or we don't.

My nephew was killed because of the stupidity of a gun owner. A little education might have saved his life.

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Totally agree tfox with everything you said here.

 

I don't have a problem w. education at all. I wouldn't be opposed to a class similar to what we do for hunter education. You take the class once, and are issued a safety card(certificate) that is stored in an online database. If you lose your card, they can look it up by our drivers license number. It's only purpose is to show that you have completed a safety coarse and are competent with a firearm.
I am against any type of system that would require me to pay to renew it, or pay any type of fee/penalty besides the initial cost of the program. I'm against anything that would register my firearm with the government. A background check and and safety card should be enough, considering the majority of crimes that are committed with guns are committed with guns that are illegally acquired to begin with.

 

Pretty soon we are going to require people to have classes before they give birth, before they marry, before they choose to spank their kids, and probably before they use a curse word in public.

 

Son of a *****, I passed relax guys.

Making some past a test to have kids is not a bad idea

 

Gary, your in trouble if the test has a spelling section.:D

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The Milwaukee Journal's Editorial


http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinio...st-and-a-lawman-second-fs8gtl5-188603701.html



Is there a bigger grandstander in law enforcement than Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr.?
OK, maybe the exploits of that anti-immigration, tough guy lawman, Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio, beat Clarke's latest performance. But it would be a close call.
Clarke, still smarting from having his budget cut and always loving a headline or a radio gig, tells residents in his own latest radio spot, "With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option. You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed or you can fight back."
Clarke says listeners need to take a firearm course and get a weapon.
"You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We're partners now. Can I count on you?"
Let's hope not.
About the last thing Milwaukee County - especially the city of Milwaukee - needs is more guns on the streets. More vigilante justice.
Because, make no mistake, that's what our sheriff is advocating.
"Apparently, Sheriff David Clarke is auditioning for the next 'Dirty Harry' movie," said the office of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett in a statement.
And Jeri Bonavia, executive director of Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort, said she hears "over and over" that most law enforcement officials would like fewer weapons facing them on the streets, not more. "I do know what he's calling for is dangerous and irresponsible, and he should be out there saying this is a mistake."
But Clarke, of course, won't see it that way - not if he gets another headline or another few minutes spouting off on radio talk shows. No matter how irresponsible the statement.