Even with studies, you can't honestly compare what has worked in Canada or Australia to the United States. Population density, demographics and societal issues of each country vary greatly. If you take out gang related gun violence from our statistics, I would venture to guess that the US would most likely fall right in line with other developed countries. Our stats are greatly inflated by gang related violence, yet our entire country completely ignores it or is unwilling to do anything about it.
If we did an actual study of the US we would know those items you mentioned. Hence my comment, I bet we find guns may not be the biggest issue.
Germ you cited Canada as a safe haven because of gun laws. Half of the murders in Toronto CA involve guns. Simple Google Toronto gun crime search.
What does that data tell us? Not much, right? I like how you displayed with 0 data, just half 2015 Total deaths - 55 With Gun - 27, shall we compare that to a city in US? Toronto has 2.8 million people, FYI it would be embarrassing to compare a city of that size with one in the United states, Detroit at 650,000 had 302 Homicides in 2016.
OK, how do you do the study? We can't see the impact of not having guns unless we got rid of them, so that will never happen. Other option would be to get rid of gun laws and restrictions but I doubt the left will allow that either. I have said many times that we do not have a gun violence problem. We have a VIOLENCE problem period. Guns, semi-automatic and even automatic are not new. We have had easy access to them my entire lifetime. So what has changed where we are now having all these mass shootings because it isn't guns, it is the people using them. And I also don't believe the Mental Illness excuse also, there is no new mental illness that wasn't present in the past also. We have better diagnosis and treatment than ever before.
Anyway I am out of the argument looking to go commit 1st degree murder with a deadly weapon, and I am profiling 4-5 year old victims. Pretty much makes it a hate crime, bias against antler size.
I think most of us know what the issue is, unfortunately not many are willing to say it. It's mostly a cultural problem and it's a morals problem. It's definitely not a gun problem. People in the inner cities need to break the cycle of their social issues that continue to trend from generation to generation. No one is preventing people from getting an education and waking up every day and deciding to do good. This government study done from 1980-2008 is probably the closest thing to pinpointing the issue. 52% of the homicides committed during this time were committed by a group that makes up under 15% of the population. Per capita, gun laws aren't even the biggest factor, some cities with lax gun laws are just as bad as cities with strict gun laws. Most of our gun crime happens within inner cities like New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, New York City, and basically all of southern California. It is of my opinion that strict gun laws only hinder the law abiding citizen, but the main and bigger issue is the cultural, social, and moral issues that plague inner cities, unfortunately most are run by democrats. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
I agree 100% which is what a believe a national database would show. Toronto with their 55 homicides and 27 gun deaths. Can we compare Toronto to a city on the US of similar size? No, and one main reason is simple, and you hit on it, Canada has healthcare for all. How many mentally ill people are getting help that are not here? All I want is the data, to prove what I think is correct. We have a Parent, Education and mental illness issues causing our high numbers. I doubt it will happen, because we can't look at data anymore without picking a side.
Germ is right about one things: agendas DO prevent real meaningful research, and not just concerning guns. Marijuana is another one. Education is another. Taboos/Hot topics prevent real light from being shown on a topic. Real research would topple somebody's apple cart and "they" won't have that.
I think you are half right about Mental Illness. Much more mental illness diagnosis these days, which means way more medication being prescribed for those mental illness's. Now, take a look at the mass shooters, all most all of them had been prescribed some type of anti-depressant or other type of mood altering drug. Yet, nobody is willing to talk about those connections.
