man this kid got lucky

O..was that it..the link is the one you mentioned..if they are the same ..very cool!
I really liked that footage!

 

this video never gets old

 

Actually was a pretty good shot. I would much rather see a 13 year old do that than smoking dope in the school yard.

 

And as they say in Kentucky... Sweeeet.

 

Was it a good shot?.......yes, certainly got the job done.

Doesn't make it the RIGHT shot to take........head shots, neck shots and femoral artery shots are all "good" shots when they hit the mark as well but no respectable hunter would advise taking them.

The margin for error is what makes a shot right or wrong to take and the room for a quick lethal recovery on anything less then a perfect shot for this kid was almost zero.

The kid panicked and shot because the bull spotted him, plain and simple. He was very lucky to have it end like that. A head on shot at an ALERT animal can go bad in 100 different ways and only good in one.

Success doesn't make a shot "good or right". I saw Stan Potts shoot a 200+" buck through the throat because he panicked in the same way.........he justified his shot much the same way which only confirms he KNEW it was a dumb idea when he let it go but the antlers overwhelmed his common sense. He would NEVER have taken that shot at a smaller buck........but suddenly it was a "good" shot because the buck was huge. Dumb.

 

I don't think he panicked. A frontal shot on an elk at that range isn't really all that risky. Elk are big. A frontal shot on a bull probably has at least the same lethal area as a 150lb broadside deer.

 

Because your so knowledgeable on elk and their vital systems.

 

Next time you might want to do a grammar check BEFORE questioning someone else's knowledge level.

 

I don't see how a shot that will result in a lost/wounded animal if missed in ANY direction could be considered not risky. Especially when taken on an alert animal that is staring right at you. You could put the PERFECT shot on him and if he flinches or jumps that string in the slightest it's a lost/wounded animal. High and you have to pray you have enough power to damage the spine or get lucky and hit a main vessel......most likely you will just run down either side of the spine and leave the poor elk with an arrow buried in one of his backstraps. Miss left or right and your arrow bounces off that massive shoulder and he limps away. Miss low and brisket or bone awaits you. You can see by the penetration that kid got that it isn't easy to drive an arrow through that heavy chest muscle and hit home even on a bullseye.

At least when you miss a deer high, back or low of your broadside shot you still stand a good chance of recovery. A front on shot at an elk requires his head be up (so he most likely will see you) and anything less than a PERFECT shot is a lost/wounded animal.

Throw archery elk shot placement into Google and see what percentage of professional organizations agree that this is a "good" shot for an archer to attempt on a live animal.

 

What's next?


Recommending the Texas heart shot??

 

That's a blanket statement. Plug that same question into guys who aren't in the limelight and see what they say. Corey Jacobsen from Elk101? Frontal Shots. The entire crew from Born and Raised Outdoors? Frontal Shots. Dan Moore who has over 50 elk under his belt with a bow? FRONTAL SHOTS.

The kill zone on a frontal shot for elk is approximately 12", roughly 2-3" smaller than a deer that is broadside. Now, considering the fact that "most" guys have the gumption to keep the frontal shot under 15 yards and have a proper shooting technique, whats the difference? To go in and argue that a frontal shot will likely end in a wounded animal is just stupid. I know you're smarter than that. Elk are not deer, Openings and vitals are bigger not to mention that their skeletal makeup is also different.

As to the fact of you stating no respectable hunter would recommend the frontal shot? Don't be an *******.

The frontal shot I took this year was a calculated and purposeful shot taken with the full intention of shooting that elk head on. He had no idea I was there and I doubt realized he was hit. The arrow took out the top of the heart, clipped a lung, hit the liver, edge of a kidney, and the stomach. As I stated in the other thread, he lived less than 10 seconds and went 40-50 yards before dropping dead. My colorblind hunting partner was able to follow the blood trail right to him. I got more blood out of that one hole than I do on a double lung pass through.

Finally, this a retarded thing to argue about. You have you're ideas and I have mine. I've been around long enough to know that you simply live and thrive on this forum to try to assert your self pronounced prowess. Good luck eating your whitetail, I'll continue taking my frontal shots when presented with the opportunity and live fat and happy on elk.

 

^^^^ Ka POW! BAM! & SssWACK! ^^^^

 

I don't want to go down that road but with the number of arteries and veins clustered around that...ummm "region"... its usually an extremely quick death if you ten ring it. I wouldn't take it or recommend it but know of those who do in perfect conditions similar to the conditions needed for a frontal shot.

Frontal shots from that distance on moose/elk are often as big of a vital area as a broadside small deer. I'd take it from real close range.

Ethical shots are so subjective it's hard to discuss rationally online.

 

It's not a blanket statement........it's a fact. Throw it into Google and see for yourself. No one cares about 3 or 4 guys you want to mention that would advise that shot when the entire elk hunting community would OVERWHELMINGLY agree it's a poor choice. We can find a few people on this site that will take frontal shots, neck shots, aim for the spine and even head shots on deer. Does that make it right??

This is a snip from elk101 BTW

They go on to to basically say it's your choice in the end but list EVERY negative I mentioned already.......and it's a loooooong list of possible nightmares.

I already told you the difference.......if you're not going to read or comprehend what is posted a good discussion is going to be difficult. When you "miss" broadside or quartering away you still have a 75% chance of successfully finding a downed animal! when you "miss" a frontal shot you have about a 5-10% chance due to the anatomy. The fact that the shot is 15 yards makes it even LESS likely to be successful because the elk needs to have his head up and therefore will see you most times and be very alert making even your best efforts fail if he simply flinches. Not to mention a true perfectly frontal shot is not going to be very common, in all likelihood the animal will be slightly quartering to one way or the other making your 12" window example only viable in a ideal situation instead of a realistic one.

I'm not arguing.......I'm just flat out saying its a poor shot choice that will end up in wounded/lost animals way more often then it will be successful.

As to the fact of you stating you would recommend the frontal shot the overwhelming majority of bow hunters in the world would prefer that you don't be an *******.

I drove my truck steering with my feet one time and didn't get into an accident...........does that make it a good idea??

In other words you don't like hearing the truth........"good luck eating whitetail?"......LOL, ummmm OK that's the first I've ever heard that eating venison is an insult of some kind.

Make sure you post up your next failed recovery from a frontal shot attempt...........we all know you won't but maybe you'll remember this conversation when your head hits the pillow that night and you will make better shot selections in the future.


If an animal is facing you at 15 yards he has about an 80% chance of turning one way or the other offering you a high percentage kill.........calm down a little and wait a few seconds and you will get a better shot, and if not oh well, that's hunting.......there are plenty of elk out there and you'll get another chance.

 

One of the NUMEROUS postings you can easily find on this topic by hunters (and elk) who have suffered from this poor choice.

 

When I get home tonight id be more than happy to send you a response.

In the meantime, next time you quote a website please cite the entire sentence. Corey goes in that same sentence to say that he would also not advise against not taking the shot.

 

On second thought, I'm done with this conversation. It's obvious it will be a waste of time and produce nothing for anyone.

I wouldn't want this to turn Into another case where the wrong guy gets banned....

I'll tell you what, though. The first frontal shot I mess up ill PM you before I post anything.

 

I've missed Atlas and his segmented quotes in arguments.... I was beginning to believe he was just a second identity of Jeff, once GMMAT was no longer with us Atlas too took a sabbatical from posting since he no longer had someone to argue with. Lol

Nice to have someone back with strong opinions, logic be damned....

 

You really should try reading before you reply.......I said he goes on to say it's basically your choice and then lists the numerous reasons why it's likely to fail on anything less then a perfect shot in ideal conditions.

 

I'm sure you won't.