I agree a French tune should accomplish most of your needs. The peep I would not move unless you have a press. They tend to spin with significant movement. If you must then I would move it and tighten your Dloop at a off set so as your draw it turns your string . Let us know what happens
they should be able to do the peep and kisser and d loop adjustments. I called first thing this morning and they said to come on in...
ok, so just got back and I have him shooting...his DL was 22.5" his bow is set at 22" but when he drew back the kisser and peep were perfect...so i and the tech decided that it was best not to change anything. so he may be a ,5" short but for some reason at full draw it looks perfect. so I got him shooting and showed him how to get a bone on bone anchor and it seems to have helped. I do think he has a bit of target panic. But thanks for all the advice..We will just keep shooting
If he is shooting fine with field points and only having issues with broadheads I would say he is definetly suffering from target panic, he is likely punching the trigger with the broadheads on because he feels nervous. I have found that shooting with broadheads exaggerates any flaws in your form, especially when you punch the trigger.I can relate to this, I suffer from target panic that is absolutely crippling at times, a buddy of mine at work this year who is a pro archer coached me through the target panic, it still hangs around but now I know how to overcome it when it rears its ugly head. A mix of close range shooting drills(focusing solely on shot execution and not where the arrow hits) and aiming drills did the trick for me
Yep 100%. He gets so worried about where that broadhead hits. He tells me when he does't think about it is when he makes the perfect shot.. Of course I knew when he told me that, he has a case of target panic. today he did much better. and for him, his max range is 17 yds or so. I had him shooting at 16 yds, and when he would go off track, I'd move him in to to 10, then 12. then 14 then 16 ...each time he got better. I have been there and still get there. to me, 25-30 yds is a long shot. I practice that the most. I always have one that is just off if I shoot 3 arrows. sometimes it's 3" or 6'.. but most of the time I am dead nuts from 22 yds and in...it is very mental. 30 yd shots are too far for me in the woods..and for him 16 yds is the limit. and yes, he is punching the trigger,. we have been over this a lot...I always tell him, just draw the bow, put the pen om the vitals and kill the damn thing. rarely after 30 years of bowhunting do I hit exactly where I want to, but 9 out 10 , it kills.
You can easily check the tune by shooting a BH arrow and a field point arrow. They should hit the same POI. If they don't, then make micro adjustments to the rest to bring the BH arrow to the field point. Take a pic or write down where the rest was when starting so it can be returned if desired. It shouldn't take much rest adjustment...if it does then the bow needs a shop to paper tune, or it is your son's form inconsistencies. Perhaps it is all him, but the above is easy to quickly verify how close the tune is. To know if it is him, how are his field point groups in comparison to his BH groups? If drastically different, then something about the BH's is influencing him. Is it something as simple as worrying about the back stop? Perhaps just a few stacked up hay bales would help him out? If it is all him, then after the season he needs to work strictly on form shooting, especially squeezing the release. Tell him to just let the pin float and to apply pressure more and more until the shot breaks and it surprises him. He'll be surprised how good his groups are doing that, and they will only get better because learning to trust pin float leads to adjusting form so that you can minimize the float, vs. being a "command" shooter. Command shooting only works well if you can cleanly squeeze the trigger off without punching it. If it turns out to be something in his head making him nervous about shooting BH's, then have him shoot BH's frequently until it is nothing to him to shoot them. At the very least, shooting a BH and a field point may give him the confidence that a BH is no different and can be made to shoot just as accurately as a field point.
he's still saying it's too short. and well, it is. it's really not hard to change it. but I am not exactly sure how to do it. in order for him to make bone on bone anchor he has to crunch up a little bit. he kind of has to crane his neck forward. I need to figure out how to change it.
The consistency problem sounds more like target panic as mentioned. I ran through this exact same scenario with my wife. Her draw length is about 4” shorter than mine but I can still shoot it consistently with awkward form out to 30. Target panic is a hard thing to fix. I’ve gotten spurts if it myself. Stand about 5 feet away from the target and rattle off 100 arrows with your eyes closed, visualizing everything else. I also gave her an old kids bow she could dry fire in the living room while watching hunting shows and holding the pin on deer. It helped but takes time and repetition. Sent from my iPhone using Bowhunting.com Forums
his peep has also rotated a small fraction..so I had him turning it by hand before each shot and it semedd to improve things
Have him try carefully setting the Dloop to orientate perpendicular to the bow by 45°so that you turn the loop with each draw. PM with questions brother. And hurry it's almost time!!!
If his panic is anything like mine have him shoot for a week or two at 5-10 yards only focusing on his shot execution, then slowly back him up about 2-3 yards after he has a group that every one of his shots felt perfect, if he has a shot that feels less than perfect he shoots that distance again, if he has a shot that he draws back and it doesn’t feel like the shot is going well or would be better than 8/10, have him let down. Target panic starts from the draw, have him do this with every shot it’s 4 steps, step one is draw and come into full draw very strong and hold that position, step two sink into his anchor points while allowing the pin to start floating on the target, step 3 apply pressure to the trigger, step 4 pull with your back/shoulders. Do this at 5 yards for a week focusing on nothing but those 4 steps and it will help tremendously
Some great advice in this thread, and love the father/son love & learnings. For those struggling with buck fever/target panic - I wrote a book on how to fix it - have a look at https://www.archerywithoutanticipation.com
