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Malaysian Plane Crash

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by boof, Mar 9, 2014.

  1. NY Bowhunter

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    Everyday the plane isn't found is a win for terrorists. This just shows them a big weak spot to exploit. Switching gears, do you think Boeing and other companies start adding their own tracking equipment (besides the satellite uplink) to prevent things like this?

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    Either this is a huge cover up or they just don't know what they're doing.

    When is it okay for another country to come in and take over this investigation?
     
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    Malaysia is not really cooperating with the U.S. on the assistance end of things. I'm not sold on the idea that this is possible suicide by the pilots. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but I'm really feeling this plane is sitting somewhere getting ready to be used for something. With that being said, even IF (big IF) that's the case, will we have our airspace guarded well enough?
     
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    Could be me being naive... but that jetliner is shot down far before it reaches a US city if it does still exist.

    The very thought of there being an airstrip big enough to LAND a Boeing 777 and then HIDE it from all satellite imagery/radar is so far fetched to me though. Maybe it's out there, but to get away with it without people seeing it? It's not like you can set this plane down on some gravel bar in remote Alaska. It takes a serious strip of asphalt to set one down.
     
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    I'm not so much worried about the plane being used for something around US Soil. I am worried about Israel or some other place being a target. Maybe throw some nukes or chemical warfare on it? Crash it into the middle of Israel? That would be a pretty effective delivery method.
     
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    Israel is a paranoid country armed to the wazoo using other countries money/weapons. If anyone is MORE alert/ready than the USA, it would surely be them.

    I could just be naive, I just think since 9/11 countries won't be taking risks with astray jetliners anymore. I think in the next decade or two we will see one shot down mid air, passengers included.
     
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    I agree they are prepping like mad to defend themselves. But it doesn't mean it won't be tried. And if it does get shot down with chemical or nukes it is still is going to affect whoever is below it (assuming it is over land).


     
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    ~650 known facilities fit the bill within its range...
     
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    Absolutely. Lots of countries in the possible flight radius that would be willing to "assist" in this. Again, hoping I'm just being paranoid, but you never know I suppose.
     
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    which is what my theory has been on flight 370 since 2 days after it "disappeared."
    There's been too much disinformation from the governments in involved (Malay and China) not a peep out of India (a likely target) and Malaysia's refusal to accept outside assistance all point toward a cover up. It took Boeing to step in and say "wait a minute, our engine tracking beacons say it went THIS WAY, not THAT WAY as you insist..." The only explanations are massive transnational incompetence or a governmental cover up.

    The reason a terror group hasn't stepped in and claimed credit is it was a failure - shot out of the sky before it could do anything other than splash down. While the Malay Gov sent everyone on a wild goose chase near Viet Nam, it was clean up on Aisle 3 in the Indian Ocean...

    I suppose it was also possible that one of the governments involved (China and Malaysia) also just wanted to abduct the passengers from that superconductor/advanced weapons company, but that would take more coordination than I believe likely to be feasible.
     
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    I guess I don't see that angle...if that was going to happen, it would have been on a flight straight to Israel. This flight did not have the range to make it that far without a stop for fuel. By now, any surprise advantage they had using this plane/flight is long gone. Any tracker/transponder codes are now worthless. At this point that particular plane is as likely to be intercepted as any other (likely even more so) from any nation intent on attacking Israel. If attacking Israel were the goal, why not take a "surplus" airplane "auctioned off" by any number of middle eastern-based airlines, and use that? Way easier to slip one of those by Israeli air defenses. Now everyone is on high alert.
     
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    Boeing offers a service where the airline can track the plane. Depending on the package they buy, the airline can monitor fuel, flight controls, navigation, etc. The Malaysian airline was not paying for this service.

     
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    Could be? Maybe they will hang on to this plane for several years and wait it out? Can a terrorist group
    buy a surplus plane? I doubt it. I admit there are holes in every guess out there right now.
     
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    Can't find the link now but google the theory about an electrical fire. Makes by far the most sense to me. It's written by a vet pilot who said he thinks an electrical fire took out transponder, pilots then turned left towards nearest airport to land the plane, become incapacitated by the smoke, and cruise on autopilot way out into the middle of the Indian Ocean until they run out of fuel and splash down.

    Sounds as logical as any, although not near as juicy of a story if true...
     
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    Once there was the first sign of a fire wouldn't they let someone know? I admit I don't know what the protocol is for this type of situation but I would think communicating there was an issue promptly to someone would be in order?
     
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    This pilot said if an electrical fire sparked up comms would likely go out and first thing to do is pull all the panels and replace them one by one until you find the bad one. Idk he sounded convincing, lol.
     
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    Its plausible I suppose. But in this day in age my gut tells me the odds of "foul play" is greater.
     
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    Courtney Love says she knows what happened to the flight and has evidence. So my question is why are all these countries still looking? (I hope you realize this is tongue in cheek)
     

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