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Malaysian Plane Crash

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  1. boof

    boof Die Hard Bowhunter

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    If it was a bombing, then they said it's likely the whole plane disintegrated at 35,000 feet.
     
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    Lots of questions and not a lot of answers at this point. The 2 people with fake passports were Asian, you don't hear to much about Asian terrorists.
     
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    That's an even worse embarrassment for the industry... How does a major jetliner allow a bomb to get on the plane after the 9/11 attacks? It would have to have been a major explosive to do that much damage... Not allowing anyone to get any communication out (passengers, pilots, etc.). How do they allow 2 people on a plane with 2 stolen passports? How do they not have ANY communication from the pilots, etc.
     
  4. boof

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    I don't know if they were necessarily Asian. The passports were stolen in Thailand, I think. From there they could have switched hands on the black market.
     
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    I read somewhere this morning that they were Asian. I can't find the article now but the article I just read said they are not releasing the footage of the people that used the passports. They might have squashed the first story

     
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    I wonder if this was a ruse to incite some sort of conflict, whether terrorism or government entity. Of course that's just complete speculation but I don't see how a plane that was inspected 10 days ago just disintegrates without any communication. Things just typically don't explode unless it was a bomb or missile, they typically start going bad, in which the pilots would have radioed back. Airplanes have multiple methods of communication so losing power wouldn't have been enough to stop communication.
     
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    What we "know" -
    - 2 stolen passports were used by persons unknown to board the plane; one passport from an Austrian national; the other from an Italian national
    - Both tickets for these "passengers" (one way!) booked by an Iranian and paid for by an unknown 3rd party IN CASH
    - Malaysia is the most-populated Muslim nation in the world and is a terrorism hotbed
    - China (Beijing was final destination) is currently having major Muslim separatist issues (that mass knife attack that happened just last week killed like 30 people)
    - The flight disappeared approximately 30 minutes after the flight achieved cruising altitude with near-full fuel tanks

    What is "widely reported" -
    - The person who used the Italian passport was "African in appearance"
    - The plane turned back toward Kuala Lampor shortly after reaching cruising altitude
    - Interpol is investigating the possible use of multiple additional stolen passports on the same flight
    - 5 individuals checked in as passengers at the gate but failed to board

    Possible causation?
    - catastrophic mechanical failure causing instant death/incapacitation of all flight crew (odds are infinitesimally small)
    - pilot error resulting in crash (does not explain lack of radio contact - at 35k feet, there was still plenty of time to radio SoS)
    - weather (clear conditions) or unexpected clear air turbulence (see radio comment above)
    - on board explosive device (possible but there are MUCH softer targets and easier ways to murder 250 people at a time)
    - air/air or surface/air missile strike.... hmmmm.

    My theory - How hard would it be for 5+ very determined people to take control? (uh, not that hard. See 11th, September 2001.) And now knowing what those people do with these massive flying molotov cocktails, what would any nation, especially nations (China and Malaysia) famed for a lack of regard for human rights and more concerned with saving face than individual lives, do if faced with the knowledge/suspicion that a repeat was in the works? They'd blow it out of the sky without a second thought, and scrub any/all records of any communications with said plane.

    Like I said, it is only a theory. But it is at least as likely as any of the other possibilities.
     
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    Going to be very interesting what facts come up over the next few days. Crazy how it could just up and vanish though.
     
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    My money is on terrorism. :(


    Or a wormhole. ;)
     
  10. boof

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    My theory is that it was hijacked and went down somewhere not even close to where they are looking.

    They said there was a plane that went down in 2009 from Rio de Janeiro and they found the wreckage within five days, but the black box wasn't recovered for two years.
     
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    the problem with that is it dropped off radar at a certain point. Using that as a point of reference, they have to have at least a general idea of where it went down; if it did indeed go down.

    I'm not saying it didn't go down (as I said, right now I am leaning towards it being shot down after being overtaken) but there was a story in the UK Daily Mail (great newspaper) that many family members are reporting that they are calling their lost loved ones' phones and the phones are not going straight to VM as would normally be the case of being turned off or in airplane mode. They are ringing and then disconnecting as if someone answers and then hangs up. That brings the theory that the plan was jacked and then secretly landed at an unknown location for nefarious purposes. I don't really think that likely, but it's a theory, anyway.


    Also, here is a pretty comprehensive report:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577185/Missing-Malaysia-flight-Probe-5-passengers-checked-never-boarded.html
     
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  12. boof

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    Eh, I'll try to stay away from some conspiracy theories.
     
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    That's no fun!

    (Not that this is a "fun" situation, but, best case scenario, the plane at LEAST landed somewhere. Unlikely though.)
     
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    I don't even think it can be considered a "crash" at this point. It would be interesting if it landed at an undisclosed location for some purpose yet to be known.
     
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    It has to be The Bermuda Triangle v2
     
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    Yea it is hard to believe with today's technology it hasn't been found yet.
     
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    This story is really bizarre. No debris, conflicting radar reports, no ransom demands, just a missing plane and a story that changes daily.
     
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    Crazy. Almost seems like they want us to forget about Putin.
     
  20. MnHunterr

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    I think you meant to say "This story is really disturbing."

    The technology we have today, this should not be happening. Imagine what the families of the 239 people on board that plane have to be thinking.

    Disgusts me that they haven't found a single piece of evidence.
     

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