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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by tynimiller, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. Wiscohunter

    Wiscohunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Brady yes, Bradshaw not even close to number 2. Not even close.
     
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    Brady if you are of the Fantasy Football mentality.

    QBs I would take over Brady, Rodger, Peyton or Rodgers. I no particular order

    Marino, Fouts, Stabler, Elway, Farve, Kelly.
     
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    Regarding Cassel....going 11-5 (and missing playoffs) isn't that good for a team that went 18-1 the previous year.
     
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    Fixed it for ya.
     
  5. tynimiller

    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    Okay this is where I disagree rather strongly. There is perhaps except EXTREMELY rare cases where you see a team reach double digit wins after there bonafide top 5 at their position QBs go down. I mean what Dak did in Dallas is even rare and Romo wasn't a top 5 guy at least not in my book.

    IT takes absolutely nothing away from Brady to say Belli is a huge cog in his wheel of success because you cannot separate them either to analyze. Outside of MJ and Jackson there has been no better duo (player/coach).

    I'll never argue against someone saying he is the GOAT. I just personally dislike the term my self.
     
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    11-5 with a QB that hadn't started a game since high school. A QB that had 192 passing yards, no touchdowns and one interception in college. The statement is pretty profound that Bill Belichick is a very large part in Tom Brady's success. The fact that they didn't make the playoffs has little to nothing to do with the argument considering there have only been 2 teams to ever not make the playoffs with an 11-5 record. If Belichick can coach a team with an inexperienced and below averaged skilled quarterback to 11 wins, then he's got to be a great coach. I can guarantee Brady wouldn't be considered the GOAT had he been coached by the likes of Rex Ryan, Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis and a list of coaches a mile long.
     
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    Two names that have to be in any discussion of great QB's......

    Johnny Unitas and Dan Fouts.
     
  8. Lester

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    LMFAO...Brady has more Super Bowl wins than your list combined!
     
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    Just shows that the best QB doesn't always make or win the Super Bowl. Do you think Eli is a better QB than Marino, or Stabler or Fouts?
     
  10. Lester

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    No over all they are far better QB's than Eli but the years Eli won he was damn good in the playoffs and played better in the Super Bowls that he was in than a lot of great QB's. Brady has out played the ones on your list both during the regular season and the playoffs. That isn't opinion that is fact.
     
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    Sorry, but that cannot be stated as fact, it is just opinion. Just like I can't say it is a fact that My list would easily out perform Brady under the rules of today. Marino and Fouts likely would have been throwing for 6000-7000 yards.
     
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    Brady has more touchdowns, yards, wins and playoff wins than Marino, Fouts and Stabler like I said facts not opinions...and WAY more Super Bowl rings.
     
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    Simply means Brady was in better teams. Football is called the ultimate team for a reason.
     
  14. Lester

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    That is crazy. How many HOF players did those guys play with. Who is going to the HOF that Brady played with more than just a year or two is going to the HOF other than Vinaterri?
     
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    Using that logic blindly tho Tom has Horry as arguably on minimum mount rushmore of NBA...
     
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    And here comes the point in the discussion where Brady's teammates are cut down in attempt to justify Brady.
     
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    Laces out Dan!!!! Bill is to Brady what Knauss is to Jimmy Johnson in Nascar, without one, the other wouldn't exist. In my opinion, I think Peyton was better than Brady but he didn't have a Billicheck to gravitate him to that level. I hate NE and I'm obviously an ATL fan but I knew last night even being up 21 to 0 to not count those SOB's out because that is what they are good at, WINNING when all the cards are on the table. My butt still hurts like I ate 10 of Tom's habanero venison dogs.....
     
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    Argue till your blue in the face, football is about WINNING.. no one in the general public knows or cares about Dan Fouts, or Stabler... in the end rings are what matters... not stats. Tom WILL retire as the GOAT... he will always be called the GOAT...
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    But Brady can't even keep track of his jersey.
     
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