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Loyalty, does it still exist

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by AshAid, Apr 27, 2012.

  1. AshAid

    AshAid Weekend Warrior

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    My Wife and I were talking about this and to be honest I really don't believe it does. Case in point, we have a friend (at least so called) who on numerous occasions has spoken badly about a certain "other person and her family" who we all know, but when in the presence of this "other person" acts so lovie dovie toward her and acts like this Women is her best friend (all the while I know what she has said about her and really just want to call her out on it) at times now it has even gotten to the point where she hasn't spoken to us while around this "other person" and like I tell my Wife, I really believe it's guilt and fear that we may say something to her about it

    Also, to be truthful I find myself not being a loyal person, to be honest with you, if I were to examine myself closely the only people I am loyal to are my Wife and my 2 kids, everybody else I have at 1 point or another spoken badly about and said something about them to another person that I know was/is wrong. I know I'm just ranting but honestly I have had a horrible day today (Thursday) thinking over this and looking in the mirror.

    Maybe this is 1 of the Lords ways of opening up my eyes and showing me I need to change, as if you want someone to be Loyal to you, 1st be Loyal yourself to others.
     
  2. wolvenkinde

    wolvenkinde Die Hard Bowhunter

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    I believe that we are in agreement on this issue...and since most people wouldn't even think about it and don't even know what loyalty is(its not selfishness when being loyal to oneself - my opinion is most are just selfish) I believe that you are showing loyalty in just thinking about and wanting to better yourself and your relationships. I feel that I fail my family often and friends too, but I don't think those failings are being unloyal but being human and making mistakes. I think sometimes I do speak badly of others but also try very hard not to be untruthful - though it does happen because I am ignorant of a situation or someone elses thoughts/actions or the whole story. I do not think this means that I am unloyal to them and I will usually tell them to thier face(if it will not just make matters worse or cause unneeded pain)...anyway I hope you have a better day tomorrow and find some peace of mind in just being loyal when and however you can.
     
  3. fletch920

    fletch920 Grizzled Veteran

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    Loyalty is alive and well here in the Midwest. I have many friends that are extremely loyal. Heck, I have customers that have been loyal to my business for over 20 years and tell me that they never even shop around. Yes, I know loyalty still exists.
     
  4. The Amatuer

    The Amatuer Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Andrew J. May One of the dumbest UN-loyal American of Congress during World War II.....

    Japanese depth charges were rather light and were usually set too shallow in the early days of the war, allowing many American submarines to escape. The Japanese were apparently unaware that the more modern American subs could dive to 300 feet (90m) or more. Japanese escort commanders also had a tendency to assume a kill at the first sign of floating oil or debris.

    However, Andrew J. May one of the stupidest men to ever darken the doors of the United States Congress revealed in a press conference that U.S. submarines were capable of diving deeper than the Japanese thought, and thereafter Japanese kills of U.S. submarines increased.

    The Congressman in question was politically powerful and was able to avoid any immediate consequences, but was convicted on an unrelated charge of accepting bribes after the war ended.

    Loyalty can be bought and sold easily for some, others would rather die than to tarnish their reputation.
     
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  5. Muzzy Man

    Muzzy Man Grizzled Veteran

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    Don't beat yourself up... we all say things we wish we could un-say. There's a word in carpentry "measure twice, cut once." I was helping my dad build a wall last week and he cut the same board too short three times. We got a great kick out of that. I teased him, "You cut it three times and its still too short." We had a great laugh but there is a great deal of truth in it concerning how we speak to and of one another.

    Proverbs 16:28
    A perverse man sows strife, And a whisperer separates the best of friends.


    Proverbs 17:9
    He who covers a transgression seeks love, But he who repeats a matter separates friends.


    Proverbs 18:24
    A man who has friends must himself be friendly, But there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother.

    Sounds like you've already figured this out... true wisdom comes from the counsel of God.
     
  6. Vito

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    Yes, because of your one example loyalty is completely dead.

    While loyalty is dead, exaggeration is alive and well.
     
  7. Lester

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    There is definitely still some very loyal people out there. I do believe the numbers are way less than they used to be though. I have seen first hand the what can you do fo me attitude, and a persons "word" is not what it used to be.
     
  8. Muzzy Man

    Muzzy Man Grizzled Veteran

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    That's because we "fist bump" instead of shaking hands. right? :cool:
     
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    NEW61375 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    There are still good people out there and maybe it's a good thing that you see first hand this women acting this way. In the very least it has made you do some soul searching. Talking about looking in the mirror, I've always liked this:

    When you get what you want in your struggle for self
    And the world makes you king for a day,
    Just go to the mirror and look at yourself
    And see what that man has to say.

    For it isn't your father or mother or wife
    Whose judgement upon you must pass.
    The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life
    Is the one staring back from the glass.

    You may be like Jack Horner and chisel a plum
    And think you're a wonderful guy.
    But the man in the glass says you're only a bum
    If you can't look him straight in the eye.

    He's the fellow to please-nevermind all the rest,
    For he's with you clear to the end.
    And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
    If the man in the glass is your friend.

    You may fool the whole world down the pathway of years
    And get pats on the back as you pass.
    But your final reward will be heartache and tears
    if you cheated the man in the glass.

    Peter "Dale" Winbrow Sr
     
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  10. MN_Jay

    MN_Jay Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Sometimes people confuse loyalty with some other people's uncontrollable tendencies to gossip. The question is - can you have both at the same time.
     
  11. Muzzy Man

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    NO! Gossip is just a mean-spirited excuse to belittle and damage another's reputation. No one needs friends like that and you can bet if they gossip about someone else they gossip about you too.
     
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    Loyalty is alive and well all over the world and I'm 68. Gossip about "friends"/"aquaintences" is an example of a bad friend that's not going to fall into the catagory of loyalty or friend to my way of thinking. Now there's a sentence for Vito to correct. LOL
     
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    Yep .... btw, did you hear what happened with Germ????
     
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    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    I was attacked by the mustard bandits, but thankfully Doug was in my area, because his spider senses were tingling and saved me. Doug and I hugged and sang songs the rest of the night.
    Loyalty is alive and well here in Michigan, just do not ask where my favorite hunting spots are, because I am not telling.
     
  15. Jake/PA

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    Well I believe loyalty is still around, just not with some people. Ive got like 6 good friends and we will confront each other face to face when need be. Its just our way and loyalty has never been a question between us. I will always be loyal to my family. Fighting with them is just because Im with them 24/7. Im not old enough to be married or have kids but will feel the same when that happens.
     
  16. AshAid

    AshAid Weekend Warrior

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    Thanks for all the responses..all very good and many very enlighting as well....believe it or not what really upsets me is I really thought my Wife was sort of say exaggerating when she stated that this "So called friend" doesn't speak when in the presence of this "other women whom she has spoken about terribly" but I witnessed it 1st hand yesterday while at the Bus Stop waiting for our children...it really bothered me and made me think "I wonder what she says about us and our family to others then"....but today is a better day and again Thanks for the insight.....and who says Hunters aren't Loyal people...they are..thanks
     

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