My 10 year old neighbor is going to be hunting for the first time this fall. He is shooting a 23" draw at what will be about 42 pounds. He is buying new arrows soon and has asked me for help. I know there was a post on what kind of arrow should be used at lower weight bows but i can't find it. If i remember right it should be a heavier arrow that transfers more KE, is this correct?
He will need a heavier arrow, and specifically a heavy arrow tip. He should also consider using a 2 blade cut on contact broadhead. I think he should use a .600 spine arrow with like a 150 grain broadhead. If he has 24 inch arrows at 10gpi or so, plus a 150 grain broadhead, that will put him at around 410-420 total grains for his arrows. That should be pretty good and will produce a pretty good FOC.
any ideas on what arrow. I am betting his dad won't be wanting to spend a fortune on arrows. His spine should be right around .600 if i am calculating it right. He has to get broadheads so i will be suggesting that to him. Any tips on a good 2 blade COC broadhead?
1916 XX75: Realtree HD Green, Legacy, Camo Hunter, (7075-T9 alloy) aluminum arrows are right at 10gpi. 2013 XX75: Realtree HD Green, Legacy, Camo Hunter, (7075-T9 alloy) aluminum are 9gpi. http://www.kustomkingarchery.com/Legacy-Aluminum-Arrows-per-1_2-doz/productinfo/FXX75I/ Less than $50 for fletched 1916's. To me, aluminums are the way to go to gain arrow weight with such a short arrow (24 inches).
yea thats what i was thinking. That should be perfect for him. Anybody hear anything about the Crimson Croc 125gr broadheads? Look pretty mean.
Just to throw this out there... but you don't need to cut his arrows all the way down. I have a 26" draw length but shoot 29" shafts. I'm shooting easton lightspeed 500's. By having them be longer, I can get spine closer to where I need it and keep the weight up. My bow is set at 41 pounds. I use 3 blade 125 grain muzzys. (original style ones) His arrows will be going fairly slow at 410 grains with a 23" draw. Momentum is better with heavier arrows, but you can lose KE with a heavier (slower) arrow. I prefer momentum over KE but the slower the arrow, the more critical judging yardage becomes.
never really thought of that. i might have to look into that. I do want him to have a bit of a flatter trajectory because he is lacking on the judging distance skill (as am I) but we will be working on that soon. How low could his arrow weight drop before becoming ineffective? I know 20 gr. isnt much but what affect would it have on trajectory/ penetration?
Christine is right, you could stiffen the spine and keep the arrows a little longer. So, he could use a 500 spine arrow and say cut his arrows to about 26 inches or so. He could still use that same 125/150 grain head or so to off-set the change in spine even though the arrows are only a couple of inches longer. If you went to a carbon arrow at say 8-9gpi with a 500 spine, that would put his total arrow weight at around 370 to 390 grains with a 125-150 grain broadhead. Sounds good to me. On a side note, I would suggest to the youngster to keep his shots at 15 yd or less unless he is an incredible shot. He won't have to judge too much distance as his 15 yd pin should be dead on.
Shadow is probabaly right. I would say try a 500 spine and go with something like a muzzy phantom 150 about 28 in. The HTA's (HT-2) are the least expensive and they come in at 6.4 GPI. With that set up (about 370 gr total) assuming he's shooting about 180 fps comes out to about 27. To put it in perspective, if he were shooting 250fps KE would be about 51. So, I would say try to keep him the closest range possible. Hit me up if you would like a quote, I'm a dealer for HTA.
I'd say an 1816 arrow cut to whatever length It spines out at with a 125 grain Magnus 2 blade on the end of It.
Corn Fed feel free to shoot me a quote. He would be looking for about a 26" HT-2. Only thing is are they available in any other fletch or are they strictly blazers. If not i am thinking the gold tip traditional at 8.7 gr/in should get the job done with a 125gr magnus on the end. Thoughts on something to that affect. i think total arrow weight would be around 401 with the gold tips. He is looking for a 4 degree offset duravane i think... if the blazers would stabilize the BH i could convince him otherwise as the only reason he wants that particular fletch is its exactly what i shoot. As to the 15 yard shot... i would give him 20. He is a pretty good shot for how young he is. i am just interested to see where these new arrows take him... going to take a lot of patience and tuning on my part as i am not shooting the bow to know how reliable a shot was. He did robin hood one at 10 yards Virginia and he has only been shooting for like 4 months
The Magnus heads are a awesome head. I have used the 2 blade 125's and they are a good head. The down side I see with them is they HAVE to be spin tested and straightened. If you have the time and don't mind, they will fly like darts. As for the blazers, I think they will stabilize most any head as long as the head is not wobbling. My personal opinion is (and some may dissagree) the broadhead has to be straight. If the head isn't straight all bets are off no matter what vane you use.
I don't see how anyone would disagree with that. I can't imagine putting any broadhead, fixed or mechanical, on a hunting arrow without spinning it to make sure that it spins as close to perfect as possible. That step, in my opinion, is critical. The Magnus 125 grain 2 blade heads (I have Stingers) are a great broadhead, but there have been times where it was difficult to get them to spin true. Difficult, but not impossible.
umm how do you spin test a broadhead. i have heard the "blades aligned with fletching" line and also read on here its not true. I am currently shooting fixed and have not spin tested mine however they hold a great group at 20 yards, at least so far.
any way to do this without purchasing the equipment... say a drill with the arrow in it instead of a bit?
You could probably cut a couple pieces of wood into V-blocks and put solt felt or carpet over them. Or just go to the hardware store and find 4 bearings and mount them to a board.
I use the crimson croc 100 grain. They are nasty. Got a doe couple weeks back and she never slowed it down. I was shooting from a stand 25 feet up and buried the arrow 9 or 10 inches into the dirt after it went threw her. I love them.
