so i have a 70 lb brutex and over the course of the last 2 years ( over 1000 shots easily ) my arrows have been 458. they were uncut beman 300 and the bow was rather ( imo ) quiet. then a few months ago, i started using 28" 400 arrows and they weighed 367-370 roughly and although the quick speed was neat, ( going coyote hunting soon ) the bow was loud, vibrated, and made a ( twak-twong ) sound... now i started out shooing a little recurve bow, saw how they shoot like 160 fps at most ( give or take the endless combinations) but usually theyre quiet. i watch a glorified buck hunt yesterday and the arrow took forever to get to the deer but the recurve was super quiet, and the animal didnt even flinch... a few days ago, i did the traditional trick of shoving rope in the arrows( but it did it to a hillbilly science ) and all my arrows are 475 +/- 2 grains and they made the bow very quiet. the past few days have been windy, but even so, the grouping at 20/30 yards are around 3 "so im waiting for the wind to go away and start seeing what my groups are. now im not a scientist, but been in the mechanic world and a hotrod hillbilly, races gokarts ( ran on methanol ) and done 4 wheeling, i know that the vibration and the face things started coming loose isnt good. id rather have a dead silent arrow/bow then a fast noise one =/ what do yall think ? im sure this has been brought up in the past.
won't sell bows by the truth of what you've learned but you will enjoy it and the groups they'll produce. I'll be the first to admit I fell victim hard to the speed is everything...so much so that I'm slowly working my entire set up over (new arrows this year...other accessories next year).
Im doing the same thing. Heavier arrows a stab that does what its suppose to. Then just other add on that i felt like getting.
Bruce is a big believer in not falling into the mainstream "speed" ideas. Honestly Bruce is one of the best sources of advice on bow set ups and arrow building. He'll be honest and has far more experience then most of us. I have used him countless times and even today have been discussing a recent tuning issue with him. Bruce is a stand up guy!
oly what will you be going to? I officially stopped waivering on what will tip my arrows (single bevel broadhead), but still debating whether to keep my GT's that are the stiffest spine they offer or bust bank out and grab some of the alaska bowhunting Grizzly Stiks.
I might be keeping my arrows i have now(easton Flatline)or im also looking at the CX mayhems, but it will be a little longer arrow with a 100 grain insert with either 100or 125 gran tip so ill be somewhere between 450 and 480 depending on the weight of the head i use. Im also moving to NAP Hellrazors as well. Just waiting to hear back from bruce on the mayhem set up so i dont have the numbers for that arrow but once i do ill let you know what i decide.
How much noise does a bow make if you let it off slowly by hand? None right? The more the string is slowed, the less noise it will make. How much does it make if dry fired? (don't test this) Lots, right? So the answer to how much noise is acceptable vs. how flat do you need to shoot is found somehwere between two extremes. With aluminum, I tried shooting 2512 Superlights one year. Every deer I shot at whirled or ducked at the shot. I went back to my much heavier 2219s and the bow noise was reduced to a low thump and the deer stopped moving at the shot. You will never shoot a noisy arrow fast enough to prevent a reaction from the deer. The result... better shot placement with the quieter bow. Why is there a warning against dryfiring? Because the string load prevents excessive vibration. The lighter the arrow, the more vibration you will have and the more potential damage.
haha...alot of good sources on here but yeah Bruce is a good one if he's got the time on his hands to help ya. I still gotta get him to write a arrow building post for my site...have a feeling it'd be very useful for all.
Nice Oly...also if you want an experiment with cut on contact heads to use throw a Slick Trick cut on contact head in and see which you like best...both Slicks and NAPs are some of the sharpest mainstream broadheads out of their boxes. I currently shoot a Slick Trick Magnum (but the trophy style tip) and love them...if I went cut on contact (and not the single bevels I plan on using which are a COC style) I would probably be between the Slick COC (Razortrick) and the Hellrazor myself.
tonight i made a discovery that will help me out tremendously when it comes to adding a ( wad ) to the arrows to help keep everything in place as far as internal weight goes... i decided to go with 4, 14" pieces of .95 weedeater kine taped up and placed down behind the knock, behind that, i placed a cigarette filter ( aka> cigarette butt ) behind that.they pack in very nicely, and you can get 200 of them at a smoke shot for $3, just tear the tube off and you have the filter ready to be inserted. with the weedeater line, broadhead, and filter, the arrow is 480g and the foc is 12* shot them a few times in the dark with the glow of a flashlight and they arent making noise yet, but they sound like a 50 ton truck when they hit my target
I have shot my 3d bows real close to or right at IBO for years with no problems. So to answer you question, no it wont hurt them. But yes, they will make more noise!
hmm, i do have faith in bow companies bot being complete crooks and want you to use arrows that will kill the bow, ya know ?
No... listen to Bruce if you want common sense and or expertise. I would challenge you to try something though. Actually set up a bow with a heavy arrow and take a shot and compare the results to a shot taken with a light arrow. Note the noise level and note the inch or two difference in drop at a reasonable hunting range, let's go with 25 -30 yards. The noise reduction will be dramatic... the trajectory probably not so noticeable. How fast is a deer? Lets compare to a professional athlete. RG3 can run 40 yards in 4.3 seconds. Round it off to 4 seconds. 10 yards then in one second if acceleration were constant. 5 yards in 1/2 second, 2 1/2 yards in .25 second, 1 1/4 yards... almost 4 feet... in the time it takes an arrow to travel 30 yards. That's how much a deer can potentially move when he hears a noisy bow. I know this isn't scientific but the point is, since an arrow isn't fast enough to compensate for a deer's extremely quick reflexes anyway; why not try to reduce the potential of him reacting to the shot in the first place. From my experience, a quiet bow hands down does that better.
Ring a ding ding! And what you lose in trajectory you will gain in the hitting power of the arrow if set up heavier. There is a reason some guys who shoot traditional bows have their arrows in the mid 500's to even 600gr range...slow as snot compared to us compound hunters but yet they still get pass throughs at 20 yards and the deer never hear them....definition of deadly.
