While I'd agree that marriage aint what it used to be the fact of the matter is the divorce rate in the US is the lowest it's been in 30 years, something like 3.6 per 1000 households. While that doesn't necessarily mean relationships are better, it does mean there is less divorce. Not that it matters but you don't believe some people are gay by choice?
I know you weren't directing this question at me, but imho, you couldn't logically argue FOR this amendment if you DON'T believe it's a choice. I, for one, having two close relatives whom are gay and knowing their circumstances growing up, in no way believe it is a choice. Therefore the God argument is a hard one to understand (granted, there's PLENTY I don't understand when it comes to God).
I happen to be good friends with a couple, who are foster parents. I would leave my kids with them before I would ever leave my kids with my Sister in Law. All they spread is hate about people and judge. We all choose who we love, does it matter to you or anyone else who I choose to love? When are people in this Free country of ours going learn to leave people alone.
Well said. Why would anyone choose to be with a man if they were attracted to women? People are born with an attraction to the same sex yet people still argue that they have a choice and can be changed.
Even if we assumed they are 100% born w it (no one knows for sure so please quit stating it as fact), it is still our choice to act on it. Some people are born w a predisposition to alcoholism and drug abuse. Some are born with their parents rage/tempers. Is a genetic defect now a blank check for excusing our actions? I'm not saying people don't have a right to be gay.... Just that them choosing to do so doesn't prove god is okay with it. Same with alcoholism and a slew of other sins. Evil is everywhere in this world, it isn't cast on us by god rather we are saved from it through Jesus. All my interpretations of course.
A persons enviornment could steer them a certain way. Probably a different thread here but while I do think it is possible for someone to be born wit certain attractions I definitely don't believe every gay person falls into that category.
People are born attracted to whom they are attracted, FACT(I stated it:p) Fact you, me and the man on the moon does not know diddle about what god is OK with when it comes to gay people. Comparing alcoholism to gay people, now that's rich. Most would not have a problem with an Alcohloic getting married to a woman in the church. Running her life, kids lives and then asking for forgivness after he destroyed their lives, but a gay couple having kids and raising them, look out. The people in church will pray for the traditional family with the defective parent and demonized the gay couple with a family doing it correct with love. It's really that sad
Good points. It is called "Depravity." Everyone is born with a predisposition to sin and sadly, no matter how much we claim to have overcome sin, we still have to deal with it every day. All sins are still sin, not just homosexuality and Christ followers should not be picking and choosing which sins to avoid and which ones to wink at. That happens a lot and if we are all honest, we all face that reality on a personal level. Whoever has communicated that God hates homosexuals mispoke. He hates sin, all sin, my pride and prejudice and my hatred for anyone. I don't accept homosexuality as being okay, it will be judged along with a host of any other sinful behavior that falls short of the glory of God, including many of my own actions, but I refuse to behave in a hateful way to anyone, even those who have intentionally done harm to me. That's not Christ's way, He prayed "Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing." That's my prayer for all who are caught in any lifestyle that is contrary to God's Word... even mine.
Explain how I compared them as equals? I just point out there are genetic predispositions to literally everything out there...It's how we as people act on them. I just think using the I was born this way ticket is a slippery slope. I really don't understand how bad parenting is being brought into this, but I know in my church we would pray for both situations. And it's just as broad of a brush to paint with if you are saying all alcoholics are life ruining, terrible parents. Sad to say this, but I know SEVERAL alcoholics who raised wonderful level headed children....Doesn't change the fact that it is a sin. I don't even take issue with gay couples or in several cases them even having kids... I DO take issue with people watering it down as not even being a sin. I agree 100% none of us know with certainty what Gods intentions are....but all we have to go by is the bible, where it clearly states it as such....right beside alcoholism, drug abuse, premarital sex, etc.... Everyone sins, it is inherent to our human nature. The quicker we stop trying to justify things and just simply seek forgiveness for it and when possible try to avoid it, the quicker a lot of these bickering issues disappear.
The problem with the anti traditional marriage crowd is you only see this as a religous issue. There are just as many people who think that homosexuality is wrong by natures standards. I am in that camp. The bigotry toward us is astounding. We have no hate in our hearts. We just do not believe in it. The left has been allowed to create words,"homophobia" as an example to try and persuade people that homosexuality is natural and the people who believe other wise are different. Obviously alot of you have fell pray to that trick. I believe the gov't should stay out of the bedroom as much as anyone else. One of the problems i have is that should samesex marriage be legalized, what are they going to push on my children in school. That is the next step, the indictrination at the school level.
Yeah, you can only state unknown things as facts if they are in the bible. Hasn't anyone been paying attention?
