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Let's hear it for North Carolina

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by davidmil, May 8, 2012.

  1. Muzzy Man

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    And the cycle continues by teaching that parents who teach values to their children get judged as hatemongers by the very people who are so adamantly opposed to anyone judging? :confused: Wow! Again, is there not a common standard concerning what is right and wrong that we can all agree to?
     
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    One would hope so, but that is not always the case. Like Vito said, when it starts this young...that is taught. There is a difference between teaching your kids the differences in people and teaching your kids to TREAT people differently because they aren't the same or have the same beliefs as you.

    I had my daughter at the park riding her bike before school started. There was a little boy at the park riding his bike as well. I asked her if she noticed anything different between them. She said...his bike is black and mine is pink. Now, after being in school for 8 months, she comes home saying things like...I wish my skin was white like yours mommy. I can assure you that she didn't come up with that on her own and I can assure you the 5 and 6 year old kids didn't come up with that on their own either, especially after talking to her teacher.

    Vito was spot on by saying...when you teach your kids what is "right" or "wrong"...consider the feelings of those other people involved...and how what you say to your kid could in turn have a huge impact on another life.
     
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    virginiashadow Legendary Woodsman

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    I was raised in a very homophobic household via my father. I remember being very confused as to what to think/do when around gay people. Kids want to be "just like Dad" but I am not a person that enjoys bullying people or thinking I know everything. I admit it, I was sometimes rude to gay people when in college, by my hateful/joking words. Then one time in college there was a large group of jerks who started being extremely rude/physically assaultive tward a tiny gay guy at a party for NO reason...my buddy and I literally physically took on the entire fraternity in a stairwell where we ended up throwing jerk down two flights of stairs and then the others got the point not to attack us/him anymore. That was about the time I started looking at myself in the mirror and telling myself that it is NOT ok to hate/dislike someone because they are gay. To this day I am still not real comfortable around gay people, but I am getting better as I age. I am no innocent person and I have a closet full of demons...who am I to judge?
     
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    Absolutely. So long as the beliefs and traditions of ones own family don't include ideas that lead to bullying, committing hate crimes or being a bigot.
     
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    No we do it in our family. It's really simple. Teach them love and respect for other people and their beliefs. We have ours, but our beliefs are not morally superior to anyone's.
     
  6. Muzzy Man

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    So is your belief that your beliefs are not morally superior to someone elses beliefs morally superior to the person who thinks some beliefs are morally superior to other's beliefs?
     
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    I really don't care what others beliefs are, it's just that simple. Your beliefs have no bearing how I live my life, nor should mine affect you.

    Now if you're nazi that's fine, just don't bother me or hurt others. That's what American is about and one of very important piece of being American. The right to live your life without government or others(aka religious zealots) telling you how to live.
     
  8. Vito

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    Germy, you should have married an english teacher. :wave:
     
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    I did, lol
     
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    Nazi's are total hatemongers.
     
  11. Muzzy Man

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    So people shouldn't vote according to their beliefs? Sorry but they do and the way people vote affects us both and our families. I am not a Nazi, if that is what you are insinuating. I would challenge you to do a little check concerning a couple of America's founding documents and see if maybe some of the language in those documents was not religious in nature, beginning with the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution or you may try the Mayflower Compact. All documents written by, excuse me, "religious zealots." By the way labeling people you don't agree with is a form of judging. Is that morally acceptable? I thought you just said it's not.
     
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    No, they are traditionalists.
     
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    This made me laugh.....hard.
     
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    The world of hate is confusing.
     
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    Indeed. I'm learning though. I think you can have prejudice against others IF there is a tradition of it. New prejudices are not acceptable. Old, historical prejudices are.

    I hope that helps.
     
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    Dude it was just an example and they call themselves Nazi's. So I did not label them at all;)
     
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    Maybe we need an old tradition pro staff?
     
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    It's really absurd that having unpopular convictions that others may not agree with is equivalent to hate. I have to give it to the left in this country they have played the labeling cards perfect over the last 20 years.
    Do I agree with changing the definition of marriage to include something other then a man a women? No I do not. I can agree with some types of civil unions to create equity in the tax code ect...however I think creating a civil union to fix a flaw in the law is *** backwards, just fix the laws that make civil unions needed.
     
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    The Coalition of Hatemongering Homophobe Nazi Religious Zealot Voters


    There's a mouthful.

    "Ladies and Gentlemen, that is a new track record. As it stands now, Jean Girard is sitting on the pole, which is a statement of fact, and is in no way a comment on the driver's sexual orientation."
     
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    If Civil Unions allow for all the same things that Marriage does then why create Civil Unions instead of allowing Gay Marriage?
     

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