Legal vs. Illegal "Would you shoot or not"

I can see if i can dig a link up. I am basing my info off a conversation i had with my local DNR agent

 

Good Luck finding that link

 

I just talked to Jessica at the WDNR call center at 1-888-936-7463. She said that no matter what, if the landowner says no, you can't go on the property. She said you can call a CO, but they will not be able to get you on if the landowner says no.

 

Sounds good, glad to clear that up. Not sure what my local agent was thinking???

 

No harrassment from me... but it does high-lite how doing the right thing and the correct thing sometimes come in conflict.

 

Dan is correct. However, I've heard that sometimes the warden/sherrif may try to buffalo the obstinate neighbor by saying that wantly wasting a game animal is crime that they could be charged with. It is a crime to waste an animal but since the neighbor didn't cause the animals death it is a gray area and the neighbor could beat the ticket. Sometimes they relent though.

 

sorry Tin man... Here we go again.

 

This one needs its own poll. I bet the discussion would be a lot different this time.

 

And they're off....

 

I said what I'd do but it is a prime example, perhaps the perfect example of how the law doesn't always protect what is ethical or "right" in a lot of opinions.

 

While that's commendable, I believe it would be wrong to hunt in a spot knowing that if a deer went off the property and died I couldn't retrieve it.

 

Spine and Head shots!!





Bwahahahahaha!

 

That would be an awesome way to try and deter hunting around your own hunting property. Absolutely deny access..... and then label the other hunters for hunting on the neighboring property as unethical.

 

Come on Ty you can have one of the poll answers...who's neighbors have stand's on the fence facing your hunting land...I do I do!!!

 

Well thats good to hear I thought I was only one that happened too. I jus had the problem with tracking a deer onto neighbors property tonight, funny it's being discussed. I made a phone call to pretty much give the guy a hea ds up and find out if anyone would be out there tomorrow basically because I dont want somebody shooting at me, but like Dan I really don't think it woulda mattered either way, I'm pretty confident with my shot and I'd rather not let it go to waste. After tracking for probably 500 yards got too dark to follow blood so it'll be a long night for me ha.

 

In regards to the topic of the poll....

I read your original thread about passing the deer when you posted it. Honestly, I have never looked at the chart of times for where I hunt because its 30 mins before and after, which is too dark to shoot (here). So I guess I'll never be faced with that situation in the poll (here), however I believe the law/rule is in place for safety also....so people can make out what they are shooting at. That said, I'm not looking at my watch...if I have a buck like that cross my path, I'm shooting him if I can see him plenty good.

Additionally, I agree with Dan about going to get the deer. I don't really have that issue as my neighbors are all good with it, however I'd rather ask forgiveness than be denied permission.

 

The same for ND if you ask and are told to stay off their property. You are done and the deer gets wasted.

We can legally retrieve on posted property though if we don't ask. No weapon is allowed in tracking and you better have a blood trail/dead deer if caught on their land. Only the person that wounded the deer can track and attempt to retrieve it. You better be able to prove the deer was not shot on their land. If caught on their land before finding the deer and they tell you to leave. You better leave !!

I don't know too many where I hunt that would refuse you. The ones that do... I try to hunt far enough away not to be a problem. If a deer of mine would make it on their land... I will retrieve without asking and take my chances of finding the deer before they find me. So far it has never happened.

Tim

 

In reguards to the original question...

I check to see when shooting hours begin and end for most hunts. I abide by it. Do I care if someone else other then my kids shoots 5 minutes before or after ??? Nope

 

I speed...Normally about 5 miles over the speed limit (cause I can't drive 55). In my neck of the woods I still get passed every morning coming to work. I'll occasionally see a cop but I don't brake because I know I'm not getting pulled over.
However, I never ever ever run red lights.

When I hunt there are rules (written and unwritten) I never ever ever do...
Shoot before/after legal shooting time - Out loud.. No, but in my mind I'm telling myself I'm not counting down the seconds or setting an alarm

 

I go out on every outing with the exact times for legal shooting engrained in my brain for the day. When legal shooting time is over I remove my release, and put it in my pocket. I also promptly remove my arrow, and lower my bow from the stand. I just say to myself " the deer win today". There will always be tomorrow. I don't care how big the deer is, it's not worth the headaches that can follow if you indeed get caught or make a bad shot. It will never be worth loosing hunting rights for up to 5 years for the first offense in many states. Not to mention the cost incurred with fines. I have let many deer go by. With that said, I have shot many deer in LOW light conditions well within legal shooting light. One time I remember particularly was a rainy day on October 13th early in the season. A storm was rolling in, and it got black really fast with 30 mins left to shoot. I had already started to pack up my gear. I had removed my mask, and put my hat on, also I had put my fanny pack on. All of a sudden there is an 8 pointer coming in to a scrape. At 20 yards broadside I had to knock an arrow and attach my release. At full draw I couldn't see any pins. Looking around the peep I could see my pins, so I put my 20 on the deer and looked back through the peep. I could now see the pin enough to shoot. The buck made it only 80 yards after a perfect heart shot. Luckily I saw him crash because the sky's opened up a few minutes later. Legal, yes! Smart decision, NOT hardly, but I have practiced that scenario many times at the range just for that shot. So while I could stretch the limits if I wanted to, I don't because I have to much respect for hunting to disregard the laws.