I put a 19 ft up with the boys today. Man what a pain, getting older and it flat wore me out. 1 more to put up tomorrow but I doubt I'll ever purchase another one. Lock ons for me only after this. Ladder stands suck to put them up in the woods. They are very safe once you get them up, but they are hard to get up. On the outer edge of a field or fence, ladder stands are gravey, but around cover with everything in the way - difficult to say the least. I will refrain from the language. Anyone have the same problems?