Its either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton/Possibly several new Supreme Court justice

Sure, so was Ronald Reagan. Why would he surround himself with a conservative if he's planning on being a liberal? I'm not saying he's going to be a great president or even a good one, I have no way of knowing any of that, I'm simply saying he's not going to be Hillary. I'm too much of a realist to vote for someone who has 0% chance of winning. I already unregistered from the republican party and I've already stopped donating to them, I'm not going to vote for Gary Johnson so I can tell myself that I am giving the republican party, or the government, a bigger middle finger. It's not going to help me sleep any better at night even though out of the 3, I align most with him.

EDIT: Had to edit out Barry Goldwater because I don't think he was actually ever a democrat but what I meant was the he sparked the change of the republican party.

 

No, I am looking at Trumps past and how he acts. You might wanna do some research.

 

Sure, so was Ronald Reagan. Why would he surround himself with a conservative if he's planning on being a liberal? I'm not saying he's going to be a great president or even a good one, I have no way of knowing any of that, I'm simply saying he's not going to be Hillary. I'm too much of a realist to vote for someone who has 0% chance of winning. I already unregistered from the republican party and I've already stopped donating to them, I'm not going to vote for Gary Johnson so I can tell myself that I am giving the republican party, or the government, a bigger middle finger. It's not going to help me sleep any better at night even though out of the 3, I align most with him.

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I bet most would align with Gary, if they could think for themselves.

 

Oh, I adamantly agree with you 100%. Want and reality don't always align, that's all I'm saying.

 

Acts, he is calculated. People think he is just coming up with things on the fly. He isn't. He knows what the issues are and he knows going in what his stance is going to be. He doesn't rehearse how he is going to say things so they don't appear rehearsed like typical politicians.

Not to mention presidents cannot declare war. Trumps history is he is smart enough to know he doesn't know everything, and puts the people around him that do.

 

He does not have to declare war, to start a war.

Keep telling yourself he's calculated.

 

He has just gotten to where he is based on dumb luck. Brilliant.

Still better than Hillary or Voting for Johnson and electing Hillary.

 

Hilary will not get my vote. With Trump, I just hope he learns to hold his tongue and be a little more sensitive during certain situations and not start WWIII. I like that he will tell you what's on his mind but sometimes tension can be eased by how you tell somebody something.

My hope with Trump is I think he'll ask the question of do things make sense more than someone that's been in big politics the way Hilary has for so long.

 

Oh brother.
So in order to make a statement, you'd rather see Hillary get elected. Have you seen how she handles military matters? Holy chit man wake the heck up. I'm sure democrats would love it if we all voted third party, anyone that does is naive at best.

 

I'd love to have Johnson in the debates just to learn more and see him under fire.

I'd done a bit of research on him beyond just what he's basing his campaign on, and I just don't see any real leadership and highly doubt he'll be able to get a divided Congress to get anything done.

The longest interview I've found with him (Joe Rogan Podcast) really left me feeling that he's 100% not in touch with reality on many of his views. After that podcast, I had the feeling that the only thing people are finding attractive about him is that he's not one of the other two parties. I just don't believe he'll be an effective leader or respected either domestically or internationally.

 

You're right a third party has made such a difference in our lives. Lol.

 

Exactly, and this is the same reason why Rand Paul and Ron Paul couldn't gain traction either. Even when you agree with them on many issues, they come off as bland and not able to lead. Frenchbread is right (haha I just remembered that joke) 3rd party has done jack diddly, ever. If we want to change the status quo of candidates, we have to change the party we align with most.

 

And this is why we continually get stuck with awful candidates.

 

We should all keep our eye on 3rd parties. Not as presidential candidates, but for Congress and our local governments. I would love to get to a point in congress where no party has a majority. If we can get 3rd parties to have decent numbers in states and in congress, than maybe there will a chance for one in the White House.

 

Gary Johnson certainly is not the best Libertarian candidate either. He is just the biggest name.

 

Who said I want Hillary elected?

Have you seen how the republicans handle war lately?

What's naive is voting the same party in and expecting things to change, how's that been working?

 

How do we change enough people's minds to make them more relevant, though? And by relevant I don't mean taking up just enough votes to tip the scale for one of the 2 other candidates who have a chance of winning. The voting percentage for 3rd party presidential candidates over the past half dozen elections has us on par to elect a 3rd party candidate in like...18 million years. At least fixing one of the 2 predominate parties has been done before, can we try that again? Does it have to be 3rd party?

 

You don't make enough money to change the GOP

 

Can you honestly say, you have NO preference between Trump and Hillary. That one of them doesn't turn you off more than the other?