Its either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton/Possibly several new Supreme Court justice

I don't have time to lay it all out, but you seem like a guy who really does want to get informed on these kind of issues and I encourage you to do so. I literally almost SMH when I read that part.

Watch Border Wars, for starters.

 

Where is the source for your numbers?

 

Care to share your source for your numbers using tunnels?

 

Federal employees the Border patrol service endorse Trump, this is a fact that can not be ignored they put it on the line by endorsing if Hillary wins the Border Patrol will pay for their endorsement, this tells me that the people on the front lines of illegal immigration know how wrong the current system is.

 

I don't disagree it's wrong and needs to be fixed. The questions is will a giant wall fix it? Or will simply turning off the free stuff stop it?

 

Sure, just like all the other numbers I share and are ignored, since they don't fit the reality of some.

 

Reasonable question. I would like to hear the answer too.

 

Yeah they are scamming and lying to get the free stuff meant to assist legal citizens. Just like the false tax returns they file.

 

I don't disagree with some of your stats but the tunnel numbers you suggested you pulled out of your azz and that hurts the credibility of the rest of your argument.

 

Im sure he has the tunnel data and will share it, I mean, he wouldnt just make stuff up to con people.

He said "most of the illegal immigration from Mexico is through tunnels" So Im sure he will show the data showing 51% or more is via tunnels. I dont think he would just make it up?

 

I never put a number on it, I said most. I read the below article from FoxNews.

People traffickers and drug cartels often use clandestine tunnels to cross the vast U.S.-Mexican border, which runs 3,200 kilometers (1,988 miles).

Authorities find another tunnel under U.S.-Mexico border | Fox News Latino

CNN.com - Anderson Cooper 360° Blog

 

Yes, you stated "most" like 51% or more of illegals coming here via tunnels vs other means. I will be interested in reading your supporting documents showing that stat to be factual when you post it. Or a simple admission you just pulled it out of your *** with no basis in fact, (either way, its up to you which you supply) That link you just posted is from 2011.

"“Without data you’re just another person with an opinion.”

 

Who is going to shut off the free stuff? Hillary? She is the ONLY option to Trump, Johnson may see more votes than ever before but even triple that number will not be enough.

 

Great talk last night from Dad & Daughter.

What did our leaning left weak libertarian atheists think of the speeches last night?

 

Give me a minute, I have to find the report I read, it was a some time ago.

 

You can't take Johnson seriously, he wants amnesty and open borders yet claims to want a balanced budget and tax cuts. Open borders and amnesty are antonyms for balanced budget and tax cuts He can be known as the "no governor" and have all the line item cuts and hold veto records for most bills vetoed but the data proves otherwise. He's a liberal. When he took over NM as governor the state budget was at $4.3 billion and by the time he left, it had grown to $7.7 billion. He took NM's debt from $1.8 billion and left a debt of $4.6 billion.

 

Stop focusing on the presidential candidate for a second.

A president can only do so much alone, it takes and act from congress and the american people to tryly make a change.

What the president can do is nominate justices to both the federal branch and Supreme Court. That is ultimately what this election is all about.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Hillary will stack both levels so full of liberal left wing justices that we won't need a congress anymore. Existing laws will be reinterpreted to mean exactly what they see fit. The constitution will be reinterpreted, not rewritten, to what they see fit.

Once the scale of the SCOTUS is tipped to the liberal side for a generation or longer this country is doomed. By the time the next overhaul of the court is set to happen all of your Bernie yuppies will be taking office and imagine what beliefs they will bring. Luckily by that point I will be in or on my death bed.

There is no saving this country anymore, I've realized that, but we can extend it's reign for a bit longer. It's a sad reality

 

From a 2015 news story about Mexican tunnels. They seem to run counter to germ’s claim that 51% or more of illegal immigration from mexico is done via tunnels.

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels - LA Times

From the story

“These tunnels aren’t used to smuggle any people except high-ranking cartel members because the more people use them, the more likely someone will notice them. The tunnels are used to smuggle the cartel’s bulkiest cargo, like tons of marijuana and cocaine.”

Since we don’t know exactly how many illegal sneak into America, let alone how many do it via tunnels, I think its safe to say that any claim that suggest that 51% or more of those illegals come here via tunnels is bs and a “made up” stat simply made for drama or theater and can be disregarded since as soon as it was posted, everybody knew it to be BS. But I will wait to see what germ cites as the data set for his claim. I doubt he would just make it up and he no doubt has the supporting data that he will post soon showing recent routes of ingress into the country.

with today's open borders and the administrations lack of concern and even turning a blind eye when they catch illegals, I think its safe to say that they are more likely to run in than crawl in. If info on tunnels being the majority route exists, I would hope it would be for current time periods (like in the last 5 years or even more recent) since obummer's open borders policy is not that old.

Simply posting "I made that stat up" would save everybody a lot more time.