Is JoePa's legacy forever tarnished? And will he re-sign?

I don't understand this .... it flabergasts me....

 

Everyone thought this would get much worse, but I sincerely hope this isn't true. I hope its just an interwebs conspiracy theory.

"Mark Madden just said on WEEI that Sandusky and Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors. Reports forthcoming..."

 

I was just about to post this, Vit. If that is true...whoa...just...

And have you read about the DA and his mysterious disappearance in 2005? This is just getting worse and worse.

 

I don't understand why the DA wanted to destroy his own hard drive? Sounds like that had more to do with a drug investigation, but still odd.

This is eerily similar to the catholic church debacle. An arrogant institution that tried to keep everything in house. It only got worse as more was uncovered. I really hope there is more justice this time around, if "justice" is even possible.

 

When I hear about these kinds of people pedifiles, well there not really people more like Scum of the Earth. I just don't get how anyone could EVER let it happen knowingly and not do anything. Just don't get it!

 

Tony,
McQueary, should have called the police immediately, and done what he physically could do to stop it. McQueary as a graduate assistant, was the one who witnessed the happenings, and HE (McQueary) should have been the one reporting it to the law. JoePA is given "hearsay" from McQueary, "Hearsay" that he may not even believe, as the response McQueary had just wasn't what a NORMAL PERSON would do, therefore, he may not have even believe McQueary, or been certain of what McQueary told him. I don't know how you can dump this in JoePA's lap when he passed it on to highers, likely because he wasn't 100% sure what to do, and again, having had a long time friendship with Sandusky, I'd believe he thought it best to have someone else looking into the situation. "Hearsay" is a very dangerous thing. I've had someone say I was a "hategroup leader," in the past, and a "White Supremacist." Funny that if I was a white supremacist, I must've had a lapse when I asked a "black man" to be one of my groomsmen in my wedding. So that's my thought on "Hearsay."

In all honesty, I think the Board at PSU is making a KNEE-JERK reaction to something they knew far more about but hadn't yet addressed until it was forced upon them.

I think after Sandusky, McQueary is the BIGGEST target for his INACTION in 2002!!! Who among us wouldn't stop a grown man from raping a child, boy or girl??? I know I'd certainly do my best to ensure that the "grown man," were never capable of doing such a disgusting act ever again in his life, which at that point wouldn't be likely to last very much longer!!! And again, I think this may be part of why Paterno responded the way he did, because he also like most of us can't imagine someone seeing what McQueary reported seeing, and not doing something a little more serious about it.

 

From what I'v heard on the radio, the reason for nothing happening to McQueary is that since he reported it to his superior, his legal obligation was fulfilled. To fire or discipline him now would be like firing a whistle blower & he'd have an easy picking lawsuit against the university. Sad, but that's how our legal system works.
Incomprehensible how a person can see what he saw and turn around & walk out.

My disgust along with a lot of other issues, is all the people now painting Joepa as a victim.

 

Is that what Paterno did? Reported it to his superior? It is my understanding he fulfilled his legal obligation as well. And he wasn't even an eye witness.

I very much agree with this.

Also, it has been reported that Sandusky was around all the time. McQueary has seen him many, many times since he witnessed the crime. How could you stand to be around someone like that? Wouldn't you want to do something about it? Maybe being a coach at PSU was more important.

 

In NY state anyway, everyone that HEARD about it, heresay or no, would be required by law to tell the authorities ...and not campus chain of command' tho they should also be told .... Mandated reporter ... if there is a reason to suspect abuse, it must be brought to the police ... Nd they will determine if abuse took place .... that's NY ... so JP would be AS guilty as the rest that KNEW ... he should fry with the rest of the scum ...

 

He is innocent until proven guilty. If he knew about it and reported it only to the university administrative authorities, he aided in his subordinates crime. If the college authorities heard about it and did not report it to law enforcement, they abetted in his crime. Especially since both Joe and the heads of the university knew he had an organization to "help" young boys. I have a feeling that he wasn't helping young boys, but helping himself to young boys. There is a lot of blame to go around in this issue to include the student who allegedly witnessed the behavior. Why DIDN'T he report it to the police????? I wonder how many more children were sexually abused because of his failure to act...

 

Told ya.

Only option they really had, whether is was right or not.

They fire him, and people are pissed. They don't fire him, and people are pissed.

 

Micheal jacksons doctor says he has room for a couple more guys in his cell and if they have trouble sleeping he can help them with that also.

 

Very disgusting and sad. I am not sure how you can justify that any of those involved did all that they were supposed to by reporting it to their respective boss. What Sandusky did was a crime. It is not like he cheated on a test. Just because they knew who he was doesn't make it any different. You are telling me that if JoePa saw someone shoot somebody he is supposed to tell his boss! I realize that he didn't actually witness anything here but he was informed of a crime that happened. His obligation is to report it to the police, not his superior. I think you need to step back and look at this from the perspective that what if they didn't know who Sandusky was, how should they have reacted. If you witnessed one of your co-workers commit a crime would your only obligation be to tell your boss??? I don't think so...........

 

When ESPN's legal advisor was asked today if there were any legal reasons they haven't, or couldn't fire McQueary. His answer was "none".

So why the hell is he still employed? My guess after the season the whole coaching staff will be gone, fair or not. They need to start fresh.

 

My thoughts exactly. I don't paint JoePa as a victim by any means, but I don't see how the school can fire him. Hindsight is always 20-20, and for all we know McQueary didn't say ANYTHING about rape when he reported it. He may have just said he saw them in the showers and it made him uncomfortable (what JoePA and them are saying they were told). How reliable is the word of a man who watches a 10 yo boy being raped by an old fat ass man and does nothing to stop it? I could EASILY see JoePa being told originally that he saw sandusky showering with the kid, and it weirded McQueary out. He says ok I'll set up a meeting with my superiors for you so they can look into it. Sandusky after all, at this point is his GOOD FRIEND and without the words rape and sodomy thrown in the ring Joe Pa could have easily thought this was a mis understanding about his friend. McQueary now is reporting all the graphic details, but IDK how I can trust his word if he was truly capable of seeing exactly what his testimony now says that he saw, and do nothing to intervene. As a 24 yo guy I would have beat the crap out of the old fat man and taken they boy to the cops myself.


Sandusky is the monster. The administrators are disgusting for covering the thing up to save face. McQueary is the next most disgusting for having seen it and done nothing besides run away. The DA is disgusting for having reports as early as 98, and taking until 2011 to have formal charges brought up. Joe Pa definitely should have looked into it more than he did, which is why he expresses regret looking back and says he will step down.....but to fire him immediately before all the facts are sorted out, is equally as bad.

This is America, and despite our lynch mob mentality, perks of living here means innocent until proven guilty is how the system works.... The system has failed here in many levels. Joe Pa as far as we know did nothing wrong besides being skeptical about what could be vague claims about his good friend. Later proof could come out that he was specifically told about a rape and decided to do nothing, which WOULD be grounds for firing him.


Bottom line, PSU needed to clean house by trials end to have a fresh start. To fire a guy before all the facts are even out about his involvement (well he was NOT involved, just how far his uninvolvement went) is ridiculous. If anyone should be shamed/fired/tarred/feathered it is the ******* who watched it without calling the cops, or intervening.


The whole thing stinks, the part that makes me the most mad is how this thing is being handled is overshadowing the real story about what actually happened to these poor kids.

 

Paterno still employed Sandusky even after he was told of the incident. You cant tell me they didnt talk about it. As a retired police officer I can tell you pedophiles are the scum of the earth. They always play themselves out to be the victims. Miserable excuses for human beings.

 

If they aren't good enough for next season, they don't belong there this year. If Joe's gone, they all should be left go. ONLY reason they are there........$$$$$. Period.

 

Well they have to keep some coaching staff in place to finish the season. After its done, they can hire a new head coach who can bring in all new staff. This would make the most sense for the university.

 

JoePa was told of the incident in 2002, Sandusky retired in 1999.....the only reason Sandusky still hung around the campus was because it was part of his retirement agreement with the university. JoePa didn't "continue" to employ Sandusky.

I don't want this post to seem as if I am backing a known sex offender because that is not it at all -- I simply want to make sure we all are speaking on a factual basis. Sandusky is scum and deserves everything that is headed his way.

 

You don't think JoePa had the power to tell Sandusky to stop hosting youth football camps on Penn Stat facilities? And Sandusky was forced to retire in 1999 because of molestation allegations. How does JoePa allow him to still have access to facilities after being forced out due to such allegations?