Fortunately, as is the case in all sports, numbers don't tell the whole story. Watch the tape, the footage tells a more complete story.
I watched Jordan play since he was a rookie...same with Kobe I guess we will have to agree to disagree...even though my arguement has more facts to support
Jordan also took more shots per game over his career than Kobe does (nearly 4 more/game). Given that Kobe is a near 50% shooter 2 extra makes per game puts him right there close to Jordan's 30 ppg. But bottom line, guys IN the league say they think Kobe is more skilled and a better scorer than Jordan. Not many will say he's abetter player but Kobe's offensive skills are just unbelievable compared to the rest of the league. As far as the stats, though, we're not talking numbers, we're talking their GAMES. JJ Redick is by far a better FT shooter than, say, Kobe but every year Kobe will make more FTs than JJ. Does that make Kobe a better FT shooter? Absolutely Not.
I think people are forgetting HOW GOOD Jordan was, since the last they saw of him was as a 41 year old Wizard. Jordan would laugh at you guys for saying Kobe was better. Jordan was the best ever and everyone at the time knew it. Kind of how everyone forgets how good Favre was, he was famous for a REASON.
I thats the biggest issue in this argument. More skilled does not equal better, like you said. Kobe's skill are incredible. I don't think anyone can deny that. I'm still not convinced it makes him a better scorer. How do we judge that? Kobe has a tendency to force shots, and/or have bad timing on when he should score. Does that factor into him as a player, or as a scorer? I would say both.
Agreed. It's tough to compare any players of different generations. People say there is no defense nowadays but scoring averages are close to 15ppg lower than they were in the 80s. No defense, poor offense, what is it? The game is longer and more athletic. Players are taking fewer steps to get from one spot to another and can close distances quicker and more efficiently than ever before. Jordan, in my opinion, is the greatest of all time. But he wasn't playing against any Lebrons, DWades, Kobe's, etc. Part of what made his so great was he was the first of his kind and the only one doing what he did.
Thats the hardest part. The game wasn't as athletic in the 80s/early 90s. I don't think it was because the players weren't necessarily as athletic, its just that the game required a different skill set. Players were pigeon-holed into positions. If you were "x" tall, then you played "x" position. I think Jordan was a good enough athlete to play in to today's game, no doubt. Players in today's game are allowed more "freedom", due to the rules. By just eliminating the hand check made a big difference. It has allowed athleticism to thrive, which IMO, is more entertaining to watch.
Being a Packer Fan, the off the field stuff with Favre will fade, it really doesn't and didn't bother me, got a little old at times. The hardest thing for a fan to see is your teams icon go to a rival when that icon was so involved with the rivalry. I remember Favre jawing with Viking defensive linemen, then watching him play for them was just hard to watch. I understand a rivalry in professional sports really only means anything to the fans and media, to players its business and just another day in the office. I just wish it wasn't that way. Could you imagine the face of a franchise like Ray Lewis finishing his career with the Steelers, Brian Urlacher finishing his career with the Packers, for fans its hard to think of but to players its a few more years making good money, can't really blame them. Thats what will always bother me when I think of Favre, he gave the Packers some great years and there is no doubt about his on the field success.
The Packers dumped Favre. People seem to forget that. I think its funny he went to their biggest rival, and played pretty well at times.
He had a GREAT year. Probably the best "first year" with a team a Quarterback has ever had. Should have been in the Super Bowl too. Favre pulled off a pretty good sized "in your face" that season...
Yes, I know the Packers delt him, and I totally agreed with the move. Brett then went out of his way to get onto the Vikings team, it was definately a sweet move on his part, then playing great for them to throw it in the Packers organizations face the first year. I'm just saying as a fan it was more difficult to see that than his off field problems. People have to remember these guys are athletes, their off field problems are none of our business, elected political figures now that's another story. Yet in most circles athletes personal matters are crutinized more than political officials.
I disagree, the packers didn't "dump" Favre. They said that he would have to compete for the starting spot & he wanted out. Can you blame them? Look at how Rodgers has done. Oh, Jordan was way better than Kobe. And I think you have to include Wilt in if your talking about the best scorer of all time.
Favre wanted them to "dump" him so he could go directly to the Vikes. They traded him! Smart move! Yes he did play well all the way into the playoffs and broke the Vikings hearts. "This is not Detroit man...this is the Super Bowl!" LOL!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHBbmyko2h4
Adrian Peterson fumbled away that game along with the coaching staffs stupid clock management the last 5 minutes of that game and the offensive lines terrible protection break down. Favre had one mistake which was a costly one but anyone In their right mind would know he wasn't the reason they lost but rather the reason they made It that far. The game would've been a blow out If It weren't for all of Peterson's fumbles.
I agree they don't make it that far without Favre. He had an awesome year. But, to refresh your memory...... Peterson fumbled twice but didn't lose any and had 122 yards rushing with three TDs. Favre lost one fumble and had two picks with one TD and 310 yards passing.
Favre was credited with a fumble when Peterson mishandled a handoff on the 1 yard line which New Orleans recovered. It was clearly Peterson's fault and he tooked full responsibility. Berrian and Harvin also carelessly fumbled near goal lines during the game. Schultzy is 100% right that the costy fumbles by all those players are what kept NO in the game....that and the extemely poor calls...or non calls...by the Referees...which the league actually later apolagized to the Vikings for a few days later.
See now thats where we differ. I felt great after the game and I'm a PACKER fan and wasn't a fan of the QB for the Vikings at the time.
