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Is ESPN taking it to far?

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Lester, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. NY Bowhunter

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    I still think the biggest thing people are forgetting is this is their jobs and been doing it their whole lives. You really don't need a pat on the back. Your job is to perform or you don't have one. Would be like one doctor having to give another doctor a pep talk to perform his surgery to the best of his ability.

    So talking athletes and motivators answer me this. Who inspires Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, Lance Armstrong, Roger Federer, Olympic athletes? How are they not going out there and doing it to the best of their ability everyday without Tebow(or anyone) to pump them up?
     
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    When he took over it was all over the media; players, fans, reporters everyone said that, at the time, they played more inspired.

    Individual sports are completely different bro, obviously.
     
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    I wouldn't say completely. My point is its' one professional athlete against another. They both arrived at where they are by the same road to get there. They both make a living at their sport. They've both reached the highest level of competition they could at their profession. Why can one professional be driven by someone or something else and the other doesn't have to be?
     
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    Why grown men expect so much from athletes is beyond me. These guys are often below average intelligence guys whose single goal in life was to play professionally, once they make it there that doesn't mean they are all going to keep busting their asses to impress "people watching." Like Lebron said last year after the finals -- something to the effect of even though he lost he's still living lavishly making millions and viewers and reporters aren't. It's asinine to think that once they're in the league they still want to kill it every single day.

    Even look at college -- John Henson at UNC is notorious for NEVER working out, never taking the game seriously but he loves what he does. You think when he gets to the NBA he's going to start working hard because people are watching? absolutely not
     
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    Just because you are the best at your profession, in no way whatsoever, means you can't be inspired. Professional athletes, believe it or not, are real people who are not untouchable, and can be impacted by people from all walks of life.

    Justin Blackmon was the best receiver in college football this year and he was inspired and humbled by a little girl who fought and beat (I think) cancer.
     
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    Ok. So, lets look at a team sport then -- Kobe hires Tim Grover yearly to travel around with him work him out, push him, etc. IN SEASON -- greatest competitor in the game today needs an external force to push him...you don't think that if HE can be pushed that other players at that level can be pushed by him?
     
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    He's a trainer. He's conditioning his body. Has nothing to do with the magical increase in skills by someone.
     
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    You're right man -- do you get to spend much time with professional athletes each year?
     
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    Not sure what that has to do with anything. I have been around great athletes at a lot of levels all my life. I know what it takes to get where they are and what you have to have in your DNA to get there and stay there. I was personally close to the highest level I could reach in my sport. Sports and athletics have pretty much been my life for a long time. And IMHO at the highest level there is nobody that is going to inspire you to play better. It's self driven. Momentum may give energy into your legs, refresh your brain, etc... But has nothing to do with another individual or teamate making you perform better because of what they do.

    Look at all the greats in the history of sports. Take Michael Jordan for example. Did he lean on anybody during a game? Especially at the end of a game? Give me the ball and get out of my way. They don't need inspiration. They are professionals and competitors at the highest level.
     
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    Point there was you haven't given me any examples or anything just refuted everything I said, I thought maybe you had a connection with high level athletes of which I was unaware. I talked about MJ in an earlier post, of course he didn't need someone to motivate him, he was the motivator!

    ...but even the great ones sometimes need...

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    someone to lean on

    Remember, when he retired, he did say he had lost his love for the game ie his motivation :)
     
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    Which is when and why you retire. You lost what got you there and know nobody (not even Tebow) is going to create it for you:)
     
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    Grown men don't expect it, they expect it themselves, otherwise the next guy will take their roster spot. There is tremendous competition for these jobs - the people "watching" are the people who make the decisions on who stays and who goes, the media just shows us fans the same failures over and over again. Players don't casually stroll into the NFL and sign up for a roster spot - it doesn't work that way. In most cases, during spring training they have to beat out multiple people all gunning for the same spot - the people who are left there at the beginning of the season are the best of the best.

    Also, yes there are above average players with multi-million dollar contracts that can afford to not play their best and get away with it, but that's not what we are talking about here - we are talking about entire teams of average players.

    And yes David, even average players will take a play off, again that's not what we are talking about - we are talking about entire games teams are winning because of one man.

    One more point - coaches know exactly the potential of each player and you can bet when someone is slacking, he is going to get an *** chewing.
     
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    Perfect example - look where the two of them are today because of this very reason.
     
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    Ok Wahoo.. let's step back and look at this rationally.

    Tell you what. Lets' even take sports out of the equation all together. Nobody needs to know a thing about sports to understand this. Take any occupation, job, hobby, skill, whatever. Now, a person at anything is the top 1% at what they do in the entire WORLD! There is no higher level. They obviously can only achieve this by having something very special and a lot of hard work. It's all they have known since they were 5 or 6 years old.

    You're going to tell me such an individual is going to be inspired by something or someone else to do what he does better? You don't think the best of the best give it their all everyday? Wouldn't be where they are if they didn't. You don't get to a point and just lay down so to speak. If anything it becomes second nature. Even if they wanted to i don't think they could. Nobody is going to come knock on the door and inspire them to do what they do better. It's all they know.
     
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    WEll it's obvious Tiger was inspired by a 3 iron through the windshield. LOL The boy is getting 2 million just to show up this week. He did hit the ball well, just couldn't putt. He hit 17 greens in regulation.... no boggies, 2 birdies but 35 putts. Wow.... 35 putts and he's only 3 off the lead...tied for 6th. Hell, when the boy was at his best he didn't hit 17 greens.
     
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    Seems like something always holding the boy back these days. His driver isn't going sideways anymore and he's starting to hit it decent again. His putting and short game in general used to be somewhat overlooked back in the day. That's the one aspect of his game that hasn't shown a glimpse of the old Tiger. There's been flashes of everything else except his putting.
     
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    I'm good friends with a family about which a best selling book was written and movie eventually made. The man is an entrepreneur who owns fast food restaurants. Each year big companies (IBM, Zales, etc) bring he and is wife in to speak to their CEOs, COOs, etc. with the motivational message of their story.

    We may just have to agree to disagree.
     
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    I never said motivation can't work. Your example depicts a person on top speaking to people not at his level. Different than someone equal or below doing the same. I'm all for people that are at the top of the mountain motivating people trying to get there. But when you're there, there is nobody that is going to motivate you. You motivate yourself.
     
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    A guy who owns Taco Bells is below the CEO of IBM?
     
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    Timmy inspired his team so much that they lost 4 of the last 5 games they played this year.
     
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