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  1. wahoohunter

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    Nope :D
     
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    Damn it...I thought that would be more effective.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Tebow WILL NOT ever become an elite QB. Within 2-3 years he will not even be starting for the Broncos at QB.
     
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    Statistics would argue against that, eh? What is it like 50% of QBs in the league have been their team's QB for 3 or more years?
     
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    It would need to be at least 51% to argue against it.
     
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    I dont think Tebow will be the quarterback in a couple years either. But my problem of him being on the list isnt whether he is on the team or not in a couple of years. My problem is he hasnt even started a full season of games. Plus they are only picking 20 players so that only leaves a couple players per position. How can any one say Tebow is in the absolute best or toughest category with such a short resume?
     
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    ESPN is bored. Their NFL writers apparently don't have much to write about leading up to the Super Bowl. There is a media love affair with Tim Tebow and for good reason. The kid sells jerseys and you either love him or hate him. Very few are indifferent.

    Tebow is not an NFL QB right now. He may never get to that level, I don't know. He's clueless on the field and if he's put into a position where he has to make a play by throwing the football, buying time in the pocket, etc., he gets killed.

    The Denver vs NE game the other week, was the first time I ever said out loud that I was actually concerned for a players safety on the field. He was getting mangled.
     
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    Exactly. It's uglier than sin, sometimes.... but he keeps doing it. Maybe the D plays more inspired ball because of him.. or maybe the RB's runner harder for him, I don't know... but wherever he plays, he wins. And the bottom line is the scoreboard.
     
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    Not sure how that helps Tebow. In fact it probably hurts.

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    Are you serious? Icrack up everytime I see this point trying to be made. Again.... this is not pee wee football. Little Timmy isn't going to inspire his classmates. This is professional football. The highest of levels there is to play football. You don't get to that position with needing the help of someone else to "inspire you" to play harder or run faster. If that is in your DNA you don't make it as far as you did.
     
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    ditto,,,,,thanks,,,,,very well said
     
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    You play knowing that there are 2000 people in line behind you that will gladly take your position if you don't play to the fullest of your potential.
     
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    This is professional football? I wasn't aware that the Bowhunting.com Water Cooler had any affiliation with the NFL?

    So are you saying that players at the professional level aren't capable of being inspired, or don't play at a higher level when inspired by different leaders?
     
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    No. You think players don't get more fired up to play against, say, the Patriots than they do against the Colts?
     
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    Yes, that's what I'm saying. A moment itself, or play, situation may raise their level of intensity. But to say the players are playing harder for Tim Tebow is absurd IMO. Not at that level. You think Von Miller or Willis Mcgahee suddenly decided they were going to try harder?

    Look at the Colts and their players. Did you here some of the comments on how they approach games when it was hinted they were going to lose to get the #1 pick? They wanted to win and went at it every play just as hard as if they were 14-2 instead of 2-14. They're playing for their jobs and their pride. You don't get to where they are without an abundance of self motivation and drive.
     
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    I disagree. Look at the Cowboys when Garrett took over a couple years ago, they were a completely different team; more passion, more inspired -- exact same team that was lifeless under Philips.

    NBA guys are always quoted saying that in practice they raised their own expectations of themselves and level of practice/play because they were on MJ (or Kobe's team) because they didn't want to be disappointing to them. Players can inspire players, we always put pro athlete on pedestals like they should be different than normal humans because they are at that level. CEOs of Fortuante 500s attend and hire other industry professionals to come do motivational seminars and this is no different, just because you're at the top of your game doesn't mean you can't be inspired by someone on the same level.
     
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    We are getting away from the point here. You think Tebow is the only one who inspires players on their own team? They dont play harder for Brady and Manning? The point is he doesnt belong in a group like Manning or Brady yet!
     
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    Its hard to tell isn't it? Some players are silent assassins and don't inspire regardless of how talented they may be; Eli looks like the best player in the league right now but if you watch his demeanor between snaps he looks like he's about to cry, is that inspiring?
     
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    They may get more fired up, but I don't believe they put in more effort. These guys know how many sets of eyes and cameras are watching their every move on the field - the endless stream of "analysts" (I use that term loosely) that are just looking for something to fill their 24 -7 programming. They know that one slip-up or lack of effort will be scrutinized but many people, not to mention coaches and teammates.

    So no, I absolutely do not believe that Tim Tebow causes his team to play better.
     
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    You're correct to a point... but then you're way off. Many players take a play off... OFTEN. How can we forget the Randy Moss's and O So Stinko and others. They don't put out. Many times you can see a lineman standing there with his feet nailed to the ground while defenders run around him to bury his QB. It happens every week. A lot of these folks look at their multi million dollar contracts and think.... If I get a knee blown out I"m done. IF I can avoid injury I have a 5 year contract worth 30 million. I'll keep getting that big check. I know there is some pride involved..... but there is also a lot of "ME" involved and these guys aren't all pedal to the metal.
     
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    Lol they look really inspired for Garrett.
     

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