And just for the record...Ham is shady as hell! Ark Encounter finances: Obamacare sank Ken Ham?s creationist theme park.
The bible doesn't say that according to this article. This is an interesting read on that subject. This biblical article states the bible says man kind has been on earth atleast 40,000 years. http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/age_of_the_earth.html Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
I'm a scientist by trade somewhat and rely heavily on the field. I do not find the two mutually exclusive. When going over theories of how this whole universe began.... Thinking logically, it makes much more sense that it was created than it just blew up out of one tiny speck and all these miraculous coincidences happened allowing for life and such. Carbon dating that is used for these billion year figures assumes there is a common starting point for these molecules when considering decay. Maybe not all molecules started at the same point of decay? I don't know how old the earth is or how it was created. Neither do scientists. That's the point. We both just know what we believe to be true.
Scientists believe what they believe based on the evidence and methods that are known today. If you or me or anyone discovers new methods or evidence for aging the earth/universe, scientists will then change their point of view. That is how science works. The argument of "oh I remember when scientists said that, and now they say this, so all science is just a guess" is just absurd. As Hamm stated last night, no matter what type of evidence is presented in the future, the vast majority of religious people will never change their belief or accept any science that contradicts their beliefs. That is just being willfully ignorant. And that is horrifyingly sad, IMO.
An educated guess would be more accurate. Lol Didn't science just recently change the earth's age? The bible does not state the earth is 6000 years old, yet many people on both sides believe it does. I think both sides need to do a little more research, of both sides. I know I do. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
Did you watch the debate? Ken Ham explains that they come to the 6,000 year figure by looking at the characters and families in the Old Testament and it gives a timeline of the beginning until the birth of Christ.
No, I did not watch, I am debating what is being said here. I understand that and he is wrong imo. It also states man has been around for a 1000 generations. Or 40000 years considering a generation of 40 years. There are a lot of misinterpretation of the bible. That why I said both sides need to do more studying Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
I believe he's wrong too, but was just making sure you understood where the 6000 year figure comes from.
The 6000 years is a talking point of the atheist as well, heard it for years. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
How did the Kangaroos get from middle of Asia to Australia? Bill ask this questions and Ham could not/would not answer it. I don't buy Ham's Kind theory either.
I agree, but our definition of created may be different. I don't believe a wizard in white robe with a magic wand suddenly created everything in 7 days, but I also can't believe that everything came from nothing. IMO, the fault of some scientists' is that they dismiss the possibility of a creator, because they just don't know for sure. On what caused the Big Bang Bill Nye said "I don't know." Creationists major fault is believing everything in a book that has been translated by men over thousands of years from one person to another in different languages. Its like a game of telephone, its not going to come out right. Ken Ham's flaw showed when he made the comment "Some parts of the bible are written history and other parts are poetry." So, basically, believe only what fits our agenda, the rest is just poems.
Precisely the problem with creationism. Like the fossils found in layers in the Grand Canyon, why are they in layers and do species not overlap? How are there trees older than 4000 years? Wouldn't they have died during the great flood? Things that creationists can't answer, they simply say "Well, the bible says so." Did God really not want you to use your brain? Did God believe man, without the ability to think and reason, would be able to write down his teachings and history word for word, and translate it from language to language with complete accuracy? I don't have all the answers, but I want to believe that whoever created all of this was kind enough to give me a brain and curiosity so I can ask questions, explore and enjoy this creation.
The absolute best part of the debate. Nye answered "I don't know" for "What was before the Big Bang?" and "How did consciousnesses form?" He then challenged everyone to go out and try to discover the answer to these questions. It was the perfect answer. Ken Hamm's answer to these questions? "God. End of discussion. Let's all move on with our lives and forget about these topics now"
I didn't know much about Ken Hamm before last night, but after watching this debate, I now believe that he is one of the most dangerous men in America. His belief system is frightening, IMO. Nye kept using "unsettling", which was entirely too nice.
I can't dismiss my 12 years of Catholic schooling completely. But I also can't dismiss the sense of wonder, amazement and curiosity I had as a child. My education instilled values in me, but my love for the outdoors as a child instilled faith in me.
I agree 100%. My point was that we can't dismiss the possibility that something (someone) created the "Big Bang" either. Because, we don't know. To stop looking for the answer would be absurd.
I agree with this also. I had only heard of him one time from a good friend of mine, because he believes 100% what Ken Ham teaches. I love him, but I also feel sorry for him to believe this. He's the friend that I hunt in Ontario with and camp with in the middle of nowhere. This is one subject we don't discuss over the fire at night, and its too bad. I really realized our difference in beliefs when I explained to him how the glaciers dropped massive boulders in random places, known as Erratics. He quickly changed the subject and started walking.
