Sitting here doing some research about broad heads and kind of getting an idea of what to be on the lookout for on my girlfriends bow when she starts shooting broad heads and noticed some of the laws in several states especially Minnesota. Maybe they have updated this stuff (the most recent I could find was 2009) but it said that the largest legal cut on an expandable was 2" which would make the Rage and Blood runner illegal in that state. I know the Rage says 2" but it also has a "hyper cut mode" they talk about that puts it out to 2.5 on impact. A lot of states I saw that "barbed" broad heads were illegal and from what I read the Blood runner fits most of the descriptions of a barbed broad head they vary a little from state to state. Luckily here in KS from what I can tell we don't have a barbed law or the maximum restriction on the blade just a minimum of 13/16". From things that are on the KS website though they really don't like the expandable broad heads. Numerous places in the book and on the website talk about all the possible disadvantages of an expandable while boasting fixed blades. Kind of one sided. What is your guys take on this and have your laws been updated recently to accept the new wave of broad heads on the scene in the last few years? And if you do happen to get caught do you think a DNR officer would actually do anything about it?
I personally shoot Slick Trick Standard 100 gr Broad heads. Work like a charm. I personally will never shoot an expandable, because of the risk of failure (even if the risk is low).
Not really going for a this vs. that type thread. Just more curious to see how states were dealing with all the new technology coming out. Some of these broad heads fit the description but also aren't what the laws were meant to stop. I was doing some research on the blood runner out of low energy set ups and these regulations popped up and it just go me curious especially since the rage is probably the most popular broadhead out there and Bloodrunner being an up and coming star.
Shooting mechanics with a low KE is really asking for something to go wrong. If you want a "real" how is "your state" handling these, you should call your state dept (or every state dept if you want to know how each state is handling it).
Excuse me for being curious doing some research and asking a question on a forum. For some silly reason I thought forums (especially this one) were a good place to go to find out answers and seek out some other opinions. Also, I'm not going to shoot an expandable out of a low energy set up. I don't trust it any more than you do. I just wanted to know more about the bloodrunner. Since it opens a little differently and is in a cutting position at all times I wanted to know if people had been having success using it in a lower energy set up. This is what I do when I'm bored and awake at 4 in the morning. Research things just for the sake of researching it. Sorry to inconvenience you. If you did think your were being helpful. I'm sorry for the smart ass remark. I'm not here to argue just to try and increase my knowledge and understand all of this stuff. Its hard to tell sometimes whether someone is being sarcastic or genuine just looking at text.
I know that the Bloodrunner is AWESOME!!! I am not sure how it would do with a low energy setup. I may have my wife shoot her bow with to see what kind of penetration she gets on my target and I will let you know the results. You have me wondering now lol. I am not sure on the rule with the bhs here in Iowa. I think we just have a minimum cutting diameter it needs. I figure if they sell them here in Iowa they should be legal and if an officer asks Ill just say I bought it at Walmart LOL.
That was one of the tricks about it though. It not illegal to hunt all game with it just big game. So you can hunt groundhogs, coyote, and other small and predator game with it. So therefore its legal to sell and possess just illegal for big game. Sort of like brass knuckles. Perfectly legal to buy and have at your house but if your caught carrying them around with you your in trouble. Except in this case it would only be illegal if your big game hunting.
Weird! It looks like Iowa everything that is a broadhead is legal to use on deer. It just says there is no illegal minimum diameter. Says nothing about bigger broadheads though. Guess its legal.
Here in Ohio there is a minimum Cutting diameter. Not sure what is now but I know my broadheads are large enough. There is also a regulation stating no explosive or poisoned heads.
Thats how it goes here in Oregon. You are not allowed to hunt big game with expandable broad heads. However turkey, coyote, goose, etc. can but hunted with them.
There is a good reason why so many states have deemed mechanicals illegal. They are just not consistent and far to many things can go wrong. In my Business in South Africa I have seen many many times where Mechanicals have been a problem. I hate when my hunters bring them to hunt for any size game. Quite frankly they have been a problem in our business for lost game. On the other hand there is only one broadhead that makes me smile when they show up with the hunters. The Slick tricks. Those little buggers are as dependable and lethal as is available today. They are like the Barnes TSX of Broadheads! There have been times in history that things have come out and been ridiculed and laughed at. Which eventually became the "norm" for sportsman. Mechanicals are a brilliant idea in concept. However there are no designs yet that separate themselves from the crowd. " mechanicals" are all lumped together today. Maybe there is a perfect design available right now and in 5 years this will be history. But for now, they simply don't offer the dependability on larger game at shooting angles that are common with moderate or average draw weights.
Years ago AK came around from completely outlawed expandables to allowing them in limited circumstances. With the large diversity of game up here the state realized that expandables could be used effectively on lighter game (deer, black bear, sheep?, caribou). Yet they also realized the shortcomings of the expandable and kept them illegal for larger game (moose, buffalo, elk, brown bear, musk ox and mtn. goat). I'm not going to switch back and forth so I just shoot fixed blades for everything, though I have been known to have a Spitfire in my quiver while deer hunting just because I have a bunch of them laying around to use from when I lived down south.
I would not include Black bears as a good use of Mechanicals. They have been a miserable failure to date. Maybe small 200 pounders, but shoot a big 7 foot 400lb black bear with one and he's more likely to vanish on you. Recreational Sport hunting takes on a whole new meaning when you follow up a blood trail with a bear then when done with deer!
I'm liking the Grim Reaper Razor Cut Expandables , heres a picture of what whan can do when put in the right spot , this picture is off of Grim Reapers Facebook page , thats a piece of its lung above its back bone
