So I have this Neihbor. He is a 50 year old rich guy that wants to get into hunting. He bought a bow two weeks ago and tonight shot at a buck 3 times and missed each time. He ran out of broad heads so decided to shot at him with field points. Apparently he finally hit the deer because it went crashing through the woods. He called me because I'm the only one he knows that hunts. I try telling him that what he did was wrong and he has a responsibility to not wound a animal. I also tell him about hunting rules and regulations which he has no clue. I don't even know how to begin with this guy. He tells me he was shooting from 90 yards "but it was wide open" I again tell him about effective range. I'm 33 years old. I've been hunting for 15 years, this guy isn't going to listen to me. It's really sad because he has a awesome place to hunt and he is seeing these animals from his house. Tomorrow I'm going out to help this idiot track a wounded animal. I asked him if I don't go with you and you walk up on this animal wounded how will you kill it? He says a knife? So I try to get serious explaining that he will possible have to tackle this deer and slit its throat if he uses a knife. It's not going to let you take its life easily I tell him. This guy is an idiot city boy that has no business hunting. Any suggestions?
Just try to inform the guy of the correct ways. If he isn't willing to listen or try to learn then I would distance myself from him. I guess I would try to figure out if he has any respect for the animal and if he does explain how badly he just disrespected the animal. Some people have no idea, but may not have a bad intent. I'm guessing he is a little bit of an idiot though based on what you wrote.
Tell him about the BHOD webisodes and to watch them every Friday because they are exciting and big bucks get killed a lot in them. The real unsaid reason will be so Justin and Todd, who do a good job reminding people how to hunt smart and ethically by dissecting all the hunts shown, will teach him a thing or two about how he's going about it wrong. Also tell him to join the forum to learn tactics to kill big bucks and he'll pick up on how ethical hunters hunt. Maybe wait a week for this thread to go away first in case he stumbles upon it lol. Heck after a couple days print off this thread than mail it to him lol.
I might talk to him about everything that has been mentioned but I don't think I would help him. I don't know about your state but if he shot a deer with a field point in my state, that is a violation. If word gets out and the DNR gets involved, then you may have some explaining to do. At the least it will be a very uncomfortable situation for you. Hope it works out for you. Blessings.........Pastorjim
Truly a sad situation. My suspicion is that he really don't know what he is doing and has had no influence from any type of mentor helping him learn the correct hunting ethics and attitude toward the animals we try to harvest. The sad part is that if he doesn't respect the animals then he probably won't respect your opinions either. Some people just need to have a little guidance and they finally "get it" but there are some that will never see the light. You have to be the judge of that as you talk to this guy. If you can't get through to him then you are better off letting him go his own way. I was fortunate to have a few good people mentor me but I can honestly say that I never wanted to take a chance of wounding an animal, not that I haven't done that but not because I took an unethical shot, because I respected the animal too much. I had that attitude even before mentoring so I fear you may have an uphill climb with this guy.
If this guy is a complete noob as you say, I think I would back off and reapproach. Chances are everything he knows about hunting he learned from TV. Add to that an older guy (not a kid) with more money than you and I can already tell you that getting yelled at about screwing up and he's going to shut down and you're going to ruin any chance you have at helping him. I think if I were in your position, I would go back, apologize for coming off so harsh but you have strong feelings about questionable hunting ethics. After that I would calmly explain that the method with which he shot at this deer was wrong, why it's wrong, etc. I would then offer to help him get set up and shooting well so that when next season rolls around he's ready to rock the right way. Who knows, play your cards right and you might get yourself a new place to hunt. All that said, if he still acts like a d-bag then at least it's not because you acted like one too. At that point you can yell all you want, report illegal hunting practices etc.
I think he's in a bad place mentally. He was involved in vehicular homiside a year ago or so. He just completed sentencing and his court struggles. I'm not sure ethics about wounding a animal is hitting home. I went over there this morning tried to find the animal. Took a look at his bow setup which is amess. ****s set him up, draw length is too short. He bought too small arrows diameter and too long length. He has no kisser button and didn't realize the pins were yardages. I told him I would come over later today during football and bring my bow so he can see the difference. It's a complete joke. I shot his bow once and I could see the arrow bowing coming off the rest and flying left.
I seriously doubt he hit the deer given what you just described. He needs one of two things, either a knowledgable hunting mentor and a hunter/bowhunter education class, or a serious butt kicking. Despite the satisfaction of the latter prescription, the first would give better long term results all around.
If he bought his bow two weeks ago and got it from ****s chances are he is just misinformed. Everyone was new at this at one point but most of us had people to show us the way. It sounds like he doesn't. Maybe try helping him out. Give him tips on how to properly set up his bow and a quick lesson on ethics and game laws. Good luck. And what do you mean his arrows were too small in diameter? Small diameter arrows are pretty popular Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I don't know the details but sounds like a guy to be weary of, be careful....some people are just trash and are beyond help. Vehicular homicide and then absolutely no propensity for any regard for an animals suffering are a couple of big warning signs to me. Add in ignorance of even a noob taking 90 yard shots at a deer with field points and no idea that sight pins are for yardage markers and I can't help but feel you may be putting yourself in danger just being around the guy. Don't let the idea that he's wealthy convince you he's worth your time and to not be on your guard around him. He's already shown how reckless, careless and thoughtless he is. Not saying you should cut ties and not help the guy because I don't know him or the situation exactly, I'm just saying be careful.
I'm wondering if the guy even has a license?? Surely he would have gone through a hunter's safety wouldn't he?
He did not go through hunters safety. He just bought a license. I think if your older than some age a class is not needed? Not for sure though
