Please ensure Javascript is enabled for purposes of website accessibility

I read something that Im not sure about...

Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by Vabowman, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. Vabowman

    Vabowman Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Posts:
    3,922
    Likes Received:
    1,690
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Southeast Va
    I read in my mag last night that speed is more of a factor than the weight of your arrow when it comes to KE..is this common physics?
     
  2. brucelanthier

    brucelanthier Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2008
    Posts:
    4,693
    Likes Received:
    2
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Southern MD
    I believe that is true but, speed is less of a factor than weight when it comes to momentum. Myself, I go for momentum.
     
  3. virginiashadow

    virginiashadow Legendary Woodsman

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2009
    Posts:
    29,078
    Likes Received:
    56,279
    Dislikes Received:
    39
    Makes sense to me since kinetic energy is produced via motion.
     
  4. Vabowman

    Vabowman Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Posts:
    3,922
    Likes Received:
    1,690
    Dislikes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Southeast Va
    Yeh I guess when it comes to short range the speed would be the factor more so than at longer ranges??
     
  5. Tony

    Tony Legendary Woodsman

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Posts:
    16,882
    Likes Received:
    12,207
    Dislikes Received:
    12
    Location:
    Wales, New York
    Does this help ....

    Beginning students often confuse kinetic energy and momentum. Kinetic energy and momentum are NOT THE SAME!

    Scalar Versus Vector:
    An important difference is that momentum is a vector quantity - it has a direction in space, and momenta combine like forces do. Kinetic energy is a scalar quantity - it has no direction in space, and kinetic energies combine like "regular numbers".

    Dependence on Velocity:
    The momentum of an object is proportional to the object's velocity - if you double its velocity, you double its momentum. The kinetic energy of an object is proportional to the square of the object's velocity - if you double its velocity, you quadruple its kinetic energy. This has important consequences...

    A Thought Experiment:
    Suppose that you were captured by an evil physicist who gave you the following choice:

    You must either:

    Stand in front of a 1000 kg truck moving at 1 m/s, or
    Stand in front of a 1 kg meatball moving at 1000 m/s.
    What's your choice?

    Hopefully, you picked the truck! It's a big truck, but it is moving rather slowly (about walking speed), so assuming you don't fall down when it hits you (That would be bad...) the truck is just going to bump into you and move you out of the way.

    On the other hand, you probably suspect intuitively that the meatball is a very dangerous object. It isn't that massive, but it is moving very fast (about 10 football fields per second) - and when it hits you it would do considerable damage to you, and keep going!

    Consider the momentum and kinetic energy of the truck and the meatball:

    Truck:

    Truck's momentum = mv = (1000 kg)(1 m/s) = 1000 kg m/s
    Truck's kinetic energy = 0.5 mv2 = (0.5)(1000 kg)(1 m/s)2 = 500 Joules

    Meatball:

    Meatball's momentum = mv = (1 kg)(1000 m/s) = 1000 kg m/s
    Meatball's kinetic energy = 0.5 mv2 = (0.5)(1 kg)(1000 m/s)2 = 500 000 Joules

    We know intuitively that the meatball is more dangerous than the truck, yet the momenta of the truck and the meatball are the same. On the other hand, the meatball has 1 000 times the kinetic energy of the truck! Clearly, momentum and kinetic energy tell different things about an object!

    :d
     
  6. Tony

    Tony Legendary Woodsman

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Posts:
    16,882
    Likes Received:
    12,207
    Dislikes Received:
    12
    Location:
    Wales, New York
    Ok Landon, this might help a little more :d


    http://www.huntersfriend.com/2007-Carbon-Arrows/arrow-selection-guide5.htm
     
  7. Kanga

    Kanga Weekend Warrior

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2008
    Posts:
    904
    Likes Received:
    0
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    TX
    I don't buy into the whole KE thing.

    A light fast arrow is going to wash off speed faster than a slower heavier arrow.
     
  8. Rob / PA

    Rob / PA Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Posts:
    3,629
    Likes Received:
    17
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Hughesville, PA
    I go for both! (sometimes) :d Just depends on how deep in the ground we want it. :deer:
     
  9. BowHuntingFool

    BowHuntingFool Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2008
    Posts:
    4,490
    Likes Received:
    0
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Wisconsin/Michigan
    I'd rather get hit by a Honda going 50mph than a Mack Truck going 30mph! :deer: :cool: :deer:
     
  10. Christine

    Christine Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Posts:
    7,013
    Likes Received:
    399
    Dislikes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Central Utah, baby!!
    For hunting arrows I go for momentum.

    For 3d, Deb gave me some light weight arrows that aren't much more than long straws with fletch on them. They're fast... but touchy as heck and they barely poke into the foam compared to my much heavier hunting arrows.
     
  11. magicman54494

    magicman54494 Weekend Warrior

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Posts:
    397
    Likes Received:
    0
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Is the truck delivering spaghetti noodles? Because now you made me hungry. :confused: :deer:
     

Share This Page