I need your opinion on two questions

I use those exact adder points that Brandon posted....not sure if they even help but they can't really hurt anything. I don't want to change my bow setup by cranking down poundage or anything, so until I get my Menace back, I will just stick with my 70# Hoyt. These adder points should help.

The pic makes em look like bleeder blades, but they are in fact very dull....no cutting, only prohibiting penetration.

 

I have done they above twice and it work, but my last 4 Turkeys with a bow required zero tracking. I read an article where the hunter proclaimed to to shoot them in the hip. They will drop where you shoot them. I have to say they do drop and flop around a bit, but they only go about 5-10 yds and die quickly.

I also use the rage two blade.

 

I haven't hunted turkeys much in the last 4 years due to my son's baseball schedule, but I used to pursue them as hard if not harder than whitetails.

I have shot numerous birds ( I Don't keep exact count but somewhere around 10) with the "gobbler getter" made by NAP. It is rounded and blunt on the end (about like the end of a big fountain pen) as opposed to being sharp to help prevent pass thrus and it works great.

I have never lost a bird shot with that particular head, even on a few marginal shots, because of exactly what you are saying about the arrow staying in the bird and them not being able to fly and ultimately getting hung up in brush for an easy recovery.

On the other hand, I have shot turkeys with Muzzy's and Adder points and have still gotten pass throughs most of the time. Most I have recovered but some I have not.

If you want the arrow to stay in the bird, lower your poundage and use some Gobbler Getters. There may be a better option out there, but I highly doubt it. JMO

As far as option two, I have no idea other than to say that has been my opinion for several years in regard to pass throughs on deer.

While I recognize this opinion puts me in the minority view, I maintain that as long as I get a "partial" pass through, meaning both sides of the body cavity was punctured but the arrow is still in the deer, I am just as happy and have had just as good blood trails/successful recovery as when I get a "complete" pass through, meaning the arrow is laying on the ground for inspection.
Again JMO

 

Kendall aimed at the upper thigh of the tom he killed last year. (I think aiming right at the wing butt (12 ring) is more risky than aiming between the wing butt and the thigh.)
Anyhow, K's shot was just a bit off, actually hitting behind the tom's thigh bones. (kind of a gut shot really) He was using fresh blades on his 125 grain 3 blade muzzys. No stopper since he's pushing 89 foot pounds of KE out of his bow. So, of course, the arrow zipped through the tom. The tom kind of hopped and then trotted off, out of sight. We gave the tom about 20 minutes and then went tracking. We had a pretty good idea of where he croaked since we could hear the other turkeys beating up on him.

There was an great, solid stream of blood leading to the bird. I've certainly seen worse blood trails on fatally hit deer. Go figure.

So, arrow in or out.. I advocate a slightly different aiming point than most use and I definitely think using sharp blades is the way to go. (I hear some people recommend dull blades... which I don't understand.)

 

Last fall i shot a jake with a 55 pound bow, was using muzzy three blades and they sliced through like a hot knife through butter. The turkey only went about 20 yards and the shot did seem a bit low. This turkey season ill be using some 2 3/4" over the top expandable, no matter if that arrow staying in the bird or goes through im pretty sure its going to be a quick recovery.

 

I am also 0 for 1 on recovering a turkey hit. My arrow did not pass thru, it was sticking out of the turkey as he ran away. he then suddenly was catapulted in the air as the arrow was dragging on the ground thru him the broadhead dug in the ground sending the turkey flying in the air and the arrow slid thru and out of him. He went down and I thought he was done. He got up and ran into the woods and I went after him and never found him. I searched a couple of hours with my brother in law but without a blood trail and the thickness of the area it was not meant to be.

 

What brandon posted is exactly what I was trying to explain. As far as your Ramcats I dont quite understand how they work. They cut both directions?

 

I prefer the shooting the gobbler guillatines(sp) and just lop there head off. End of hunt.

 

Yes TJ, they cut going in and cut if pulled back out.

Thank you Jack for your valued opinion. I wish there was a way I could brake my arrows without turning down my poundage. Most of my bows are set above 75 lbs. There must be something out there which gives the archer more control. I just haven't found it yet. I will take a serious look at the NAP heads.

Thanks Trev and Christine, your opinions count too!

Dmen, had your turkey not dislodged your arrow would he be yours today?

 

You could use a bowfishing arrow and reel. Just reel the turkey back in.

They even make a bladed and 3 barbed bowfishing point.

(Innerloc's bladed Grapple point)

Personally, I'd love to take out some geese with these. :D


.... I'll shut up now.

 

You might be on to something...

 

Will, personally I've only had one arrow stick in a bird and fortunately I've not lost any birds. I shoot the same Eastman head for turks that you do for pretty much everything. So from my experience I can't really say that I'd rather have an arrow stick in a bird, however, I do understand the logic of creating issues with the escape.

As for whether I'd want my arrow to stop halfway through on all animals (or those you mentioned) absolutely not. I personally feel that the majority of blood trails are due to exit wounds and not entrance wounds. Granted, as you said, if the arrow finds the twelve ring, it doesn't matter but I'd like to examine the arrow as well as have two leaking holes as opposed to one. My understanding of the Ramcat is that in the event that you don't get a pass-through, it will cut it's way back out, as in secondary to a pass through.

Good questions!

 

After the fight I had to the death yesterday, I'm sure glad that Turkey didn't have a broadhead to use on me!!

 

Another option I will be playing with this year...

 

Dubbs,

I hear what you're saying. Two holes are definitely better than one-hands down. I won't argue that fact. What if however, you as the archer could control the depth and thus the penetration of your arrow? The arrow could punch one hole, two holes, or pass through. Whatever the case, you call the shot. Let's say, hypothetically, the archer using his 74 lb (or 54, or 60) bow had the capability of stopping his arrow (with some magical device) after it penetrates 20 inches, or 16, or 21, etc. Again, the archer decides and has full control of the depth. Would there be a time and a place for such a device? I think some of us are saying yes.

Been there Sliver, we need to compare scars! LOL.......

 

I guess that would be a possibility... my choice then would be to create and entrance hole an exit hole and leave the animal "shishkabobbed"... fletching exposed on one side, broadhead exposed on the other. Two places to leak blood and an arrows to deter the escape.

 

Now you and I are on the same page.

 

Sounds too techy for me.

 

I like the arrow to stay in the bird. I use the 2 blade rage and a light arrow and it usually centers its self in the bird. Greg has a good point and thats exactly what I do. Ill stay put for about 15 minutes. They all usually go no more than 15 yards, lay down and expire.

 

LMAO STEVE!. heck, a spoon is too techy for you! LOL....