Not sure Will, my guess would be something to do with xbows although that Is already stated In their rules. What ticked me off about the above post's was the fact that you all agree that the P&Y does nothing for the world today. That Is so wrong. I'm not a member just so I can shoot record book animals and put them In the books. I have a whole whopping 2 In the books. I'm a member souly for the fact that they fight for my rights as a bowhunter. No other organization out there fights strictly for bowhunting as far as I know. The rest of the stuff (entering animals) Is something extra If you want to do that with this club. I guess you can call me an elitist too then as I'm a member. In April I'll be going to the P&Y convention, It's held In Minnesota this year. Never have I talked down any other organization out there that protects our hunting (minus the NRA for different reasons). Every club has their ways. Do I like everything about the P&Y club? No, but for the most part their In line with my thinking. I think SCI Is a great organization. I'll probably join the organization some day.
I was a member back when I shot a compound. This organization has plenty of members who shoot compounds. It would be very Interesting though to see stats on this. I'm not posting on this thread to promote the P&Y club and their ways. That's not my Intension's at all. All I'm doing Is providing Information that this club Indeed does donate money to other places. It was said that they don't.
I like the P&Y club and what it stands for. I think it's an outstanding org. My bow and arrows still qualify for the record book as in, 65% let off and non-lighted sights. Pretty soon it will qualify for antique status.
From their website..... I have no idea what their revenue is, but I always wondered why they P&Y club doesn't open their books so the members can see where the money is going. Am I wrong there Steve?
$117K sounds like peanuts in the scheme of things...can't do much with that. Except as a scoring system for trophies - I cannot say I have ever seen, read, or heard of P&Y doing anything for me or in my state/area. Sadly - only two groups have a presence around here, NWTF and DU...and that is only because they put on HUGE annual Dinners/Auctions that even non-hunters attend just for their entertainment value - congrats to them for raising the money - which they say goes to save habitat. ...that leads me to ask - who is the leading organization promoting the future and expansion of archery? Who is our NBA (National Bow Assoc)? ...I might just vote myself Club President...
Does it bother you Steve that you're a member of a "Non-Profit" Organization and you have no idea where the money you donate is going?
No. I know where they donate their/my money though. I guess Dan I trust this organization. i wouldn't be a part of It If I didn't believe In them.
With all due respect, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!? This bowhunting organization that has "fought for my rights for many, many years" has done absolutely nothing visible in any of the 4 states that I hunt on a regular basis. I've never seen them sponsor a children's event, I've never seen them put on any type community event other than a table with "Pope and Young" scorers scoring deer. That's not saying they don't (their website says they do) but I've been to a ton of shows in lots of places and never seen it. You as a traditional shooter would be "all for" what they're doing in regards to technology. When archers are pushed away from being a member of the most recognized bowhunting organization in the country because some of their equipment doesn't meet Pope & Youngs qualifications, that is BS. If trying to increase the number of bowhunters is your true goal, you do everything possible to get people involved and that is far from P&Y does. If it takes a cool looking 29" bow with a neat little light to get someone interested in archery, I'm all for it every single time. Pope and Young says, "[that's not good enuogh for us.]" This is the list of organizations that received grants from P&Y, there are 26 of them... that averages to a whopping $4,500 per organization! Now you tell me, how many of these organizations are strictly Bowhunting related? I see three, there are equally as many that have nothing to do with archery. National Archery in the Schools Program Chronic Wasting Disease Alliance The American Wildlife Conservation Partners United States Sportsmen’s Alliance Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation Association of Fish & Wildlife Agencies University of Nevada - Bighorn sheep disease research project Alaska Fish & Game Dept. – wood bison recovery project Green River Valley Land Trust – pronghorn migration project Primero Conservation Outfitters – jaguar research project National Shooting Sports Foundation – public schools conservation videos The Archery Hall of Fame & Museum Hunting for Tomorrow Foundation Jack Creek Preserve Foundation – youth conservation & bowhunting education National Conservation Leadership Institute P&Y / NASP Equipment Matching Grants Program National Bowhunter Education Foundation’s Project STAND The Kicking Bear Foundation Conservation Leaders for Tomorrow Ballot Issues Coalition National Hunting & Fishing Day sponsorship Becoming an Outdoors Woman Program Orion, the Hunter’s Instititute Sportsmen’s Legacy Foundation Center for Wildlife Information – Be Bear Aware Program Unallocated – defense of bowhunting and defense of bowhunting-only seasons I'll give my money to people that are going to, not only take my money but actually attempt to raise some themselves. Organizations like MDF (Mule Deer Foundation), RMEF and SCI. Steve did your donations go to the Ballot Issues Coalition? Sounds like a great place to send your money for the advancement of bowhunting.
I have nothing against the P&Y club but have never listed any of my trophies nor will I. I didn't agree with their ruling on lighted sight pins years ago. That was back when lighted sight pins were very helpful. Today with all the fiber optic options they are really not necessary. The thing that always bothered me about it was that the guys who voted that in are guys that could basically shoot a shadow on a moonlite night. Rules are pretty much useless in keeping someone ethical. You are either ethical or you are a cheater. I really don't see where a shorter bow is an advantage. I don't see anything wrong with supporting them if a person wants to. It's better than supporting PETA Dan
Dustin, This club Is far from rich. You make It sound like It Is. Yes your right, they'd have many more members If they'd back off on their restrictions. It's got nothing to do with not being good enough like you stated. If you ask me, It's all got to do with trying to keep some what of a tradition and past time In bowhunting. Nothing wrong with that If you ask me. To each their own.
Steve, I'm definitely not stating that the organization is rich, nor do I care how much money they have. DU, QU, MDF, RMEF... none of these organizations started of "rich," but through hard work by their members they were able to raise a ridiculous amount of money to support their cause. I personally feel that P&Y is the most known bowhunting organization in the country and I see none of this effort (that other org's give) to further the sport (regardless of whether it is traditional or contemporary archery). To me, that is disappointing as there is a tremendous amount of potential to do so much more.
guess you will be shooting fingers without a lighted nock and no sight with a light and all that other good stuff =[]
I want to be done with this discussion. lol! It's got nothing to do with me being a traditional bowhunter. Nothing.
Don't let this get out of hand gents. Yes, I will take Pope and Young over PETA any second of the minute! Threads like this are good for reflection. It leads to bigger and better both individually and at the club level. Positive involvement is a grand thing! If you're a member of P&Y, use this information and share it with the where with alls in your organization. They may or may not care, but do point out obvious flaws- they're easy to fix. If you're not a member, then please do seek an outdoor hunter friendly organization with similar desires as yours and join them! You might pay attention to the battles your group fights. Look for the little things like being a "friend to the court", "open books", and actual community involvement. Moreover, certainly keep sight of the money! Long live P&Y
My only reference was meant to point out a little bit about what Dustin hinted at and that's P&Y sticks to thier very core ideals in great sacrifice of membership & fundraising IMO. Easing thier stance a bit would probably garner them much more membership and funds. But that is the freedom of private organizations, they can be run how ever thier leaders see fit.
