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Hoyt 70# carbon spyder turbo or Spyder 34 80#

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by tbro47, May 30, 2015.

  1. tbro47

    tbro47 Newb

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    I'm looking to buy a new bow and what some opinions. I hunt out west for deer, bear, pronghorn, and elk. I am looking at shooting the new Easton deep six FMJ 330 with a 125gr broadhead 27.5" arrow approx. I have a 29" draw length. My questions is should I get the Spyder turbo at 70# or the 34" at 80#. I have no problem drawing an #80 as that's what I have now. What do you all think about the arrow speeds with that setup and kinetic energy? what would be more accurate and forgiving for longer shots? I'm left handed and no shops carry lefthanded bows around here or at least both types.
     
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    Longstriker Weekend Warrior

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    tbro47, I wish I had your dilemma. I'm thinking the longer ATA of the 34" Carbon Spyder could only be to your benefit.
     
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    maxpetros Grizzled Veteran

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    That 330 spine would be underspined for 80. So if you don't want to change arrows then go 70. The 34 will be faster so if you can comfortable draw it I don't see why not. At your draw length and those poundage a either set up will be deadly on all game with a properly tuned bow and good arrow set up.


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  4. ShaneB22

    ShaneB22 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Shoot both. I don't know how to answer this for you. The only person that can tell you what bow to get should be you. Get what feels better to you. If I was picking I would probably get a carbon spyder 30, but your dl is longer than mine so the better choice would be the 34.
     
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    So what spline arrow would work for the CS34 with 80# draw and 29" draw? are FMJ splines different than carbon arrows? They dont make a 300 in the Deep Six arrows if i could go to the dangerous game FMJs.
     
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    ShaneB22 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Those fmj dangerous game by Easton are good but I like Gold Tip. I think 300 would be recommended by most but I like to go stiff. I'm shooting 27"/62.5lbs and I tuned my bow to the arrow as Tim G. recommended and I can shoot bullet holes through paper so 250 or 200 spine would be great as would a 300. Anything in that range is good.
     
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    maxpetros Grizzled Veteran

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    300 is fine since you have a short arrow length


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    I can actually maybe help you out here. Before I bought my carbon spyder zt turbo, I also shot the cs34 at 80#. Like you, I narrowed it down to those two bows. I tested both with FMJ 340 and 125 gr tip. My arrow length is 28 and DL is 28.5 Finished arrow weight was roughly 455 I believe. The carbon spyder 34 at 80# was only 4 fps faster than the 70# turbo. The cs34 felt nice to draw back even at 80#, the z5 cam is really nice. However I dunno for sure if it's do to the lower poundage, but the turbo was quieter at the shot. The turbo cams are pretty nice smooth drawing considering they are a bit on the aggressive side since it is a speed bow. I preferred the back wall on the turbo, seemed to be more solid. I did end up maxing out my turbo at 73# and it shoots like a dream. Can't go wrong either way in my opinion. Holding the two side by side you won't notice much of a difference in the 1" ATA. You will however notice a difference with the two cams on the draw cycle but what you prefer only you can decide that one. I would like the carbon spyder turbo with a 6 3/4 BH and the turbo cams, the bow would then maybe loose 10 ft per second but that's fine. Hope this helped you in one way or another, and my response made some kind of sense!
     
  9. Bryan Jeffrey

    Bryan Jeffrey Weekend Warrior

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    i would go with the 34. i like long range shots, and my next bow will be a larger ata..... I want that Monster wake
     
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    These guys have answered most of your questions, but you'll really just have to go check them out first hand. My question is how in the heck do you shoot a 27.5" arrow with a 29" DL out of a Hoyt! I shoot a 29"DL with a 29" arrow, I could probably get away with another 1/2" off of them but certainly not 1.5", that would put my broad head back in my rest I think!
     
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    AMO draw length is measured from the deepest part of the grip +1.75 inches. So on a 29 inch bow its 27.25 to the deepest part of the grip. Seeing as the rest is is mounted behind the riser and possibly an inch or more behind the grip, it is definitely possible to shoot an arrow that is shorter than your DL. For example I have a 28 inch draw with 26.5 inch arrows.


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    Some questions I want to ask are:

    How is spine determined?

    What does the spine really mean?

    How does spine apply to an arrow in flight?

    I have my own interpretation and understanding (whether right or wrong), just wondering what others think in how to choose an arrow since we're talking about it.
     
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    Checking spine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J00I4yi0rYU

    How it applies
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfyzL9C-8WY

    And i put the spine of the arrow at the cock vane. Just fill a bathtube with soapwater. Take a couple vacuum line caps and cap your shafts. throw them in the soap water and give them a spin. mark the top of the shaft thats out of the water. put your knock on, and your mark is the bottom of the arrow, the cock vane being the top.
     
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    this might be more helpful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7r3Pu6Y-eA
     

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