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How to get heavier arrows?

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by chopayne, Oct 1, 2013.

  1. Slider46

    Slider46 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Just my two cents here - I wanted a heavier arrow and better FOC this year. I went with carbon express' piledriver Ptx. Its specifically designed as a heavier arrow AND has its own weighted steel insert (44gr) to increase FOC. No worrying about installing weights. Its a small diameter arrow and because of the custom insert it'll take standard heads and tips.

    My arrows are at 29 inches and weigh just under 500 grains with a 100gr head and quickfletch.
     
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    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Slider,

    Are those shafts the same kind of build as Easton FMJ? I particularly like the FMJs because they have a sturdier feel to them
     
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    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Also im seeing "deep six inserts' why should I get those over normal? Isn't it more costly to find broadheads and other tips to fit that?
     
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    Not sure on that. They're the same diameter as the FMJ (uses X nock) but I don't know about the construction. They feel plenty tough / stiff. I got the 350 series even though I'm technically on the high end of the 250 series according to their chart. They shoot and group great and they work.

    Busted through a big doe shoulder blade at 17 yds. Got 6 inches of penetration and broke one slick trick blade. Shaft and insert were fine.
     
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    Don't mess with the deep six. That's a special thread and only works with deep six broadheads. Nice arrows but would will be a pain and selection is limited for now.

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    The pile drivers are an all carbon arrow and the fmj has an aluminum outer and carbon core.

    The pile driver uses a halfout insert (half in and half out) the fmj uses a HIT insert which inserts down inside the shaft and allows the shaft of the broadhead to self align with the shaft. Imo, the HIT system is one of the best systems for broadheads.
    You can use either the standard aluminum HIT insert or buy a brass HIT insert for added foc. But once they are glued in, they are there for good.

    My favorite hunting arrow right now is the easton axis. It's like the FMJ but doesn't have the aluminum outer layer. They are less prone to bending and are cheaper. They use all the same components.

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    The brass inserts are 75 grain. They have a break off section that will make them 50 gr. Or you can go with the standard 11 gr aluminum.


    I use 75 gr brass inserts and 150 broadheads on my axis 400's:)

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    Good info :tu:
     
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    Is there an advantage to the deep6?
     
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    Small advantage maybe.

    Not enough to warrant the headache imo

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    chopayne Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Actually can someone do the math for me?

    65# PSE DNA (may be going up to 67#) IBO 352
    27.5 DL
    Don't know what else ya need, but I need to find out what spine of arrow I need?
     
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    Fmj is aluminum around carbon

    Nfused is the process if the axis carbon shafts.


    Easton has a chart, just stay on the stiff side of the chart with your high ibo.

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    You'll fall around .340 with those numbers off the top of my head. What arrow length and point weight are you planning?
     
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    The spine selector is saying a 400 spine will work if the arrow is 27" long.

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    my arrows would most likely be 28.5" no? To accommodate for broadheads? Id have someone watch me at full draw but I just sold my bow so I can't remember how much my previous 28.5" stuck out. I thought everyone went 1" past their DL?
     
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    Most are around 1" less than their draw but the arrow length will make a difference.

    If you go that long, you will need a .340




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    yea I was going to go .340 anyways to be safe, same price no? Hmm ill cut mine down to 27.5" next time, im just worried about broadhead cutting my finger.

    Also, what is arrow spine dependent on? length of arrow and poundage of bow?
     
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    Everything factors into which arrow spine is correct

    Arrow length, cam style, ibo, draw length, rest position etc

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