Let's not kid ourselves. If they can't buy the weapon legally, they will just find a way to buy them illegally. Or they will find another method like a freaking pressure cooker our a fertilizer bomb. They will find a way. Sent from my LG-H820 using Tapatalk
So if you agree with what he said but when I say it you take cheap shots at me and my beliefs and detract from the conversation, were you just trolling or are you afraid to agree with someone on the Internet? Not to make this conversation about me but I expected better from you.
So the media has said that this killer frequented the night club for the past few years, was using a dating app specific for gay men, and also asked out a male classmate in college. Was he just "scoping" out the LGBT lifestyle/scene before his act of terror or was he really gay and tormented by it? This leads me to wonder, is this why many Muslims often want Sharia Law? Is it because they blame our culture of freedom and acceptance to openly do things that goes against their religion so he did it to defy our culture and blamed his sexual preference on our county's freedom and acceptance of it? Maybe this was his reasoning, not that I'm justifying it by any means, obviously, I'm just trying to make sense of it.
No body on both accounts it would be hard to prosecute someone on the evidence that has been presented to the people on both Hitler and osama
You'll never be able to completely end radical Islam but the first step is for our administration to admit that there is radical Islam in our country. Second thing is to close the boarders, the cartel brings whatever it wants across the Mexican boarder so no amount of gun legislation will help in these cases. Until both of those topics are dealt with we will just see more of the same. The divide and concur method that they are using on this country seems to be working and if it continues on the same path I would hate to see us in 20 years.
Hell I hate to see what it's become now, let alone in 20 years. You basically can't fight radical islam while we have the crazy liberal left in this country because they won't allow it. It's like having a wife that goes around behind your back running up credit card debt without your knowledge or permission on your credit cards. You're liable for it no matter what and she's got too big of a mental problem to solve. Unfortunately I don't think we can divorce this ***** of a problem with the liberal left so I'm not sure what can be done about it. The liberal left is as much the problem with Islam and these shootings as Islam and the shootings because they enable it through ignorance and poor policy. Find a way to grant some semblance of common sense to the liberal left and you've taken the first big step toward solving our major problems.
What I see happening is that we will go back and forth over what to do about this and government will authorize a "fix" that won't really do anything but possibly end ISIS and create the next group. Finally I see it getting so bad that we will elect a very strong minded/willed president that will lead a war (actual war, like WW1/2/Vietnem, not the supposed war on terror that government claims they are doing) to end all terrorism once and for all which will be pretty damaging to all parties involved. And then another group will spawn. I just don't ever see an end to this problem...
Here is how I fight it. I put Gen James Mattas in charge and give him a blank check. His quote below will give you a good idea of how it plays out. " Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment (in American democracy) and kill every one of them until they’re so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact.”
I have a plan. First stop invading countries for no good reason and making the problem far worst. Anyone have any idea how many civilians were killed in the Iraq war? We pissed a lot of people off, and set a lot of crazies loose. My goal is to stop the legal purchase of guns, by any radicals, I can win the argument if bought illegally, I can defend that, I can't defend a legal purchase and keeping the status quo. First background checks goes to the states to handle, and you can only buy a gun in the state you are Lic in. Each state can input names to a no buy list, which has to be approved by a state Judge, there can be a temporary ban of 3 days, but for a longer ban, a judge must approve. The judge is FROM the STATE, not Federal. I want to completely remove any federal involvement from purchasing a gun. When a complaint is filed the local state police investigate the complaint. IF a threat, the person gets a 3 day ban, they can not legally buy a gun, then the case goes before a judge to decided. ATF is disbanded from Firearms, it goes to the states. Gun Dealers can refuse to sell a gun to anyone and not be sued, if they do not want to sell to a Muslim, so be it.
Any added legislation for purchasing guns/licensing for gun ownership will only drive up the illegal gun market or force criminals to use other means. Can we make better use of the watch list, maybe. But had he not had access to buy a gun legally he would have obtained one illegally or he would have made a pressure cooker bomb, fertilizer bomb, pipe bombs, etc.,. Intent to kill is intent to kill, murder is already illegal, no legislation can prevent murder nor hinder intent.
Issues: How are the individual states going to have the resources for national or international investigation and monitoring of individuals? So you are requiring a license to own a gun? How about people who have residences in multiple states? While I understand the desire to keep "radicals" from legally buying guns, really none of these measures would have prevented any of the shootings we have had. This last guy was licensed to carry, had been through background checks and psych exams, investigated by the FBI multiple times and nothing found to keep him from being able to legally buy. I don't think there is anything wrong with the background check system. What I think needs to be addressed is how to better identify the threats and what to do when they are identified. Assume a person like this last guy is determined to be a threat. What do we do about him? Should we haul him in for questioning, confiscate any current firearms he has while letting him know he is being watched. Or do we try to keep him in the dark that we are onto him so we can identify more potential threats through surveillance. I don't see much if a win in being able to say, well at least he didn't get the guns legally, I'd rather prevent them from being able to perform the acts whether they get the guns legally or illegally.
How do you know he would have bought a gun illegally? We don't know what would have happen, because he bought one legally. The FBI has proven they cannot do the job, my idea is just an outline that needs more discussion. For the love of god, get off the "Radical" he won't say it BS, my god people, it's a talking point and means nothing. It simple does not matter where the radicals come from. Are members of the KKK radical Christians? Is a Radical Islam Terrorist worst than a Radical Christian Skin Head Terrorist? Does one hate more? Is one more dangers? We cannot fight radical Islam, the people of Islam have to fight that one. Hate=Hate, evil = evil. FYI I am open to deportation, I know it's wrong, but I am too the point of kicking some folks out.
If he was determined enough to carry out his act, where does "legal" anything come into play? If he was going to carry out his act of violence, he's going to carry out his act of violence. A first time murderer may have zero prior offenses that would prevent them from purchasing a gun, what will your idea of legal gun purchasing do anything to prevent that? It won't. Short of minority report level stuff, it is impossible to legislate away crime/murder. Like I said, murder is already illegal in all states, there is nothing else that can be done. It's like the no gun signs on a bank, do you think bank robbers say, "oh crap, we can't rob this place." I'm sorry, but I just disagree that legislation can do anything to stop a motivated mental case murderer. There's law abiding citizens and there's criminals, creating legislation will only dictate HOW someone follows or disobeys the law, it doesn't change WHETHER they follow the law.
