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Home field after the ALDS

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  1. NY Bowhunter

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    LMAO are you part of a "baseball guy" club or something? Do you get your tee shirt this year at the annual picnic? Big bad college baseball player...... WOW you're my hero. Jeff I could really care less about what you think. You've exposed yourself to what you are around here (and there) years ago. I believe I would be greatly in the majority with that logic too.
     
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    Let's take the 4 teams that make it. One wildcard plays a division winner. Home field obviously determined by the division winner even though the wildcard team has more wins. That's fine and dandy. There is the division winners reward for winning their divison.

    Other series... two division winners are matched up. How do they decide who has home field advantage? Whoever had the most wins! Duh. So the four teams are now playing to see who the next "division winners" are. Stay with me now (especially you mr. Ruth). The Rangers and the Yankees both won the ALDS and are now both "division champions" at this point in the playoffs. They stand with the same title. Why wouldn't the criteria to determine home field advantage for the two division winners in round one not be used in round two?The wildcard team that got into the playoffs as a wildcard. After the division series I don't think they are a wildcard team anymore. They are one of the ALDS champions. Whether it ever happens or not , if that is really that "far fetched" in concept then I really worry about some of you.
     
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    I'm going to try this here, but I'm laughing too hard from the last two posts. The Mr. Ruth comment was too much!

    So, with your logic, the scenerio of tanking to win the division so that you can play the team that you match up better against and hoping that the Rangers get beat comes into play now, right? You following me Mr. Non-baseball guy?

    I see your logic, but I'm assuming you see the logic in rewarding the division winners instead of the wildcard team? It's been this way since the introduction of the wild card. More likely than not to prevent the scenerio that I described above from ever happening.
     
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    And still give up home field in round one? I don't know. I see what you're saying but I don't think it's an issue. Teams arent' there to get a win or two in the playoffs. They are their to win the World Series. You still have to play 3 very good teams along the way. So dinking around trying to beat the system probably won't work. At the end of the day you will have to play damn good consistent baseball over a long period of time. But.... I'm not in the baseball guy club so....
     
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    Also like I said before this isn't really even about the Yankees vs. Rangers. I like the fact that Tampa beat the Rangers twice at home. I like how the Yankees win at Texas and hit well there. I really like the fact of not seeing Cliff Lee until game 3 which is at Yankee stadium vs the pitcher with the most post season wins in the history of baseball. Not that there is a good scenario against Lee, but it's slightly a better situation. So I don't even think it matters too much here until game 7:cry:
     
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    To give up home field advantage in the 1st round to play a team you consistantly beat in post season? Yes, I would give it up to avoid playing the team I think I would have trouble beating. I would hope they would get knocked out in the 1st round and then take it from there. I think that scenerio could and would be played out if you had a huge lead in the wild card and your division was just a couple games difference. Your telling me Girardi would think like this? Hell, I would if I was a manager. I would tank the division win to take the chance on the Rangers blowing it.

    I'm not talking about this series either. I'm talking about any potentional examples. I'm just using the Yanks and Rangers because that is what we have in front of us to look at.
     
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    LOL you STILL think the Yanks tanked the division!

    Yeah perhaps Girardi would (or did), but then what? Not like you're playing the Orioles after that. You dodge the Rangers and then get Tampa who's beat you up this season. After that probably the Phillies.
     
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    No no no....you got me all wrong. I don't think the Yankees tanked the division. Too much arrogance in that whole system for that. I was just using them as an example. I could honestly see teams doing that.

    Just using the Yankees as an example....would you rather take your chances with the Rangers or the Rays. I think, and I think you do too, I would rather be playing the Rays right now and would be had the suprised the Rangers. Just a chance I would have been willing to take as a manager. I'm just saying this could happen with any team. Is if far fetched? Yeah, a little. But if I had that option as a manager, I would use it if I could.
     
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    Yeah I can see it that way too. I'm sure it would be a thought in a managers mind. And yes I'd rather see the Yankees play the Rays right now than the Rangers.
     
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    When your argument sucks (and yours does...wink-wink)......you attack the poster. You lost this one a LONG time ago, NY. There's a term for this. And, you know what it is. It's ingrained in you.

    There's that old saying (you've also been warned about).....that when you find yourself in a hole...stop digging. Dude...STOP DIGGING!

    But for ****s and giggles.....PLEASE explain this statement to me. What series in TX were you obviously NOT watching, this year?

     
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    If the roles were switched and the Yankees were the division champions with home field advantage would you still be *****ing?
     
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    See page 2
     
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    He's asking if you would have posted the same question, if the yankees had won the division.
     
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    Mr. Ruth,

    Please tell me where Javier Vazquez, Dustin Mosley and AJ Burnett fit into the grand scheme of things in the post season roster. Then tell me where CC Sabathia, Phil Hughes and Andy Pettite fit in then we can discuss the meaningless regular season series between them. I'm no baseball guy, but even I can see a SLIGHT difference this time around. I'm a little dissapointed. A baseball guy should have really figured this out.

    Also I wasn't really even talking about that series but more of Ranger stadium being a hitters park. And well the Yankees are hitters. Historically the hit well there. I don't have time to google all the stats and numbers. I'll leave that up to you.
     
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    Mr. Stadler:

    I don't have to google it. They've been saying since the series started that the Rangers OWNED the yankees in TX this year (who give's a rat's ass about what other teams did in the past? THEY aren't playing!).

    Your statement was/is ridiculous (to anyone who's REMOTELY following baseball). You know....this one....

    But hey....keep digging.
     
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    Babe,

    You never got back to me on the Yankees three starters that series. Want to compare them to who started in the bronx when the Yankees swept them? Don't bother I'll tell you. Sabathia, Pettite, and Burnett (surprisingly). So lets see... lose a couple games by 1 run ( scoring 5 and 6) with Dustin Mosley and Javier Vazquez on the hill and the Rangers "own" them at home? Hey baseball guy get it together you're losing. But keep digging.
     
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    Check that... they lost 3 at texas by a run scoring at least 5, lost the other by 3 and won one. All with scrap pitching for them. WOW!! Totally owned! They probably shouldn't even go back there. You baseball guys should check who's telling you what. Maybe at the next meeting/

    If most of the same Yankees are on the same team and have had success at the same park then yeah it matters a little. Just like them going to Camden yards. They are comfortable there and hit well in certain parks. DAM Jeff you have to know some of this! I'm really starting to worry about you.
     
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    Dude.....losing 4 out of 5 is getting owned. Ask anyone.

    Tell me, how did you come up with this statement........when you're "winning" percentage there is ummmmm............. .200?

    Huh? Put down either the shovel or the bong.
     
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    Ok Babe I'll clear it up for you. Yankees are 16-7 their last 23 @ Arlington. That is slightly higher than your .200 winning percentage. Again... they have a good track record their. Hence "I like how the Yankees win at Texas and hit well there". I hope this clarifies it a little more for you. If you need anymore help just ask.
     
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    Let's go Rangers!


    Fear the Claw!

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