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  1. Vabowman

    Vabowman Grizzled Veteran

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    Germ, who do you believe would have done better in the Republican pool than Trump? This is not a loaded question. I am serious. I wonder if Rubio, Romney, Kasich, Perry, Rand Paul would have been any better. Or would they just be same run of the mill? I just
    If he'd been white, would it be news? I don't know, I would say likely not.
     
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    His color had zero to do with the shot it was 100% action based. He was not reaching for his drivers license.
     
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    I agree 100%..I am just wondering if it were a white guy would there be the out cry? I the media would drop it like it's hot....not news worthy in their opinion
     
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    Also you do not get to act like an a-hole and say well I am disenfranchised not my fault. There is violence in the inner city, violence begets violence in reaction and interfaces. How do you deal with individuals acting like feral beings against fellow people in their community. I do not have any answers or fixes honestly not certain that there is a commitment to find the fix because it will take a long sustained effort to turn this around. Opportunities can be facilitated, outcomes can not.
     
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    Best thing I have heard in a very long time..well said Sota
     
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    I worked on Kasich campaign in the primary, like I said the man tried to help me once’s and he had no reason too, I was a Michigan resident dealing with an issue in Ohio with the OHSAA. I spoke to him twice and he actually tried to help me with my issue.

    We sit here today with riots, 3 trillion in debt, 11% unemployment and a 32% drop in gdp, how bad does it have to get before folks go, this is not good.

    Here’s the deal generally in America when we have a crises people get behind the president and support his direction, what is his direction? Does anyone know? My thought now is just hold for a vaccine and go from there.

    We have governors acting like war lords, each state is doing something different. I can drive 8 miles south and play basketball in a gym, in Michigan I am getting arrested and fined.

    I would love for trump to stand up and state this is what we’re doing and this direction we’re going, Governor’s get in line. Instead we get lies and tweets about a slide at good year.

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    Ou have to go to you tube to see any other race shot, definitely not main stream.
     
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    Germ Im not sure any of the leaders know what to do. This is a new precedent for us all.
     
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    I have to ask...seriously does the DNC do mass weekly mails to their members on the upcoming talking points?
    aaahhh that must be why they have such confidence in the USPS. I get it now....
     
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    Everything that an officer has knowledge of leading up to a use of force situation is important. What dispatch advised you of prior to, example: suspects actions, witness statements, the suspects criminal history (history of violent crimes, guns), suspects possible active warrants. So for someone to say "based on the video, it was was bad shoot" isn't fair because there is always a number of elements we the outside observers of a video do not have access to or knowledge of. Plus there are often multiple videos showing different angles, and you can't always hear what is being said, possible threats made, etc. Often times police departments don't release all information at once, so it's difficult to come to a quick judgment on a police use of force.

    That being said, people miss the point often times because they wish what happened didn't happen. Or they wish the officer or suspect would have reacted differently. The bottom line is that Blake refused to obey commands and made a choice to open the car door and reach inside knowing full well what officers would think he might be doing in there. He definitely was not going in the car to grab his cigarettes. Blake placed officers and himself and his kids in that situation. Cops are constantly getting in trouble by their administrations for "excessive use of force" when going hands on a suspect and sometimes don't react quickly enough because they are second guessing if they'll get in trouble for it or not. They could definitely have tackled him before he made it to the car door, but the lead officer did reach for him to his credit. Spray isn't going to work on the back of his head, besides it's not a good idea to spray with your partners surrounding you. You can try and use your taser there, but if they knew he has a violent history with guns, they might have felt safer drawing their gun first. And if that's the case, I can't blame them. Before you know it, Blake has already opened the door and you have to make a split decision.
     
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    I didn't see anything new. That was the original video I saw. But what I do is, he blatantly disobeyed orders and walked away and he most certainly went into his car... that is stupid.
     
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    Couple of videos to make people understand how wild this crap can get in an instant.




    About the 1 min mark here

     
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    I know I saw reports they had tazed him and it had no effect. He kept walking to the drivers side of car.. I'll have to look for that.
     
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    my God...they either can't shoot or they are shooting a 22... geez.
     
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    I can think of two different shootings my department has been involved with the last couple of years. We have .45 caliber handguns. Both of the guys we shot were hit 4 to 5 times in their chest and stomachs. Both lived. Drugs are a hell of thing.
     
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    yeh I can see that. With that said, I know what 00 3" buckshot does to deer, Id say they would drop instantly if that were used...but I understand why it's not.
     
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    the relevant part to that Tim Poole podcast I clipped really begins at about 1:30 - 1:45
     

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