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  1. gr_andrews

    gr_andrews Weekend Warrior

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    Facts don’t matter anymore to the media. To the BLM organization, or to our politicians.


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  2. Vabowman

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    it's just so simple. don't disobey orders. answer questions. don't get up, don't get belligerent, and damn sure don't go reaching for something!
     
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    MnHunterr Legendary Woodsman

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    More protests/riots in Minneapolis last night.
     
  4. Vabowman

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    let them have those cities....unless Trump sends in federal troops and starts shooting there is no way to regain them at this point.
     
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    When you have a group that is totally disenfranchised, this is by product. Lest we forget we fought a revolution over taxation....
     
  6. Vabowman

    Vabowman Grizzled Veteran

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    Trial, why do you say they are disenfranchised?
     
  7. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    I'll take a stab

    1. The Public Education system we have is a joke for inner-city and poor neighborhoods. An inner-city public school vs suburban public school is not even close. It has to do with a lot of factors from local corruption(Detroit School Board, Unions) to 0 oversight and accountability by states and federal levels.
    2. The number of uneducated in the group has led to many social problems, kids without fathers, can't get good-paying jobs and a life of crime and gangs.
    3. See 1, which leads to 2

    Generally speaking, when you talk to a person with an education they look at the world differently, it's why Ben Carson sees the world differently than a lot of people of color. I wish people would look at what Ben Carson did with his life instead of nick picking what he says. He came to my work and gave a talk on his book. It was really good.

    The out we have given this community is sports in their view and I never understood it until we join an AAU club in Ohio. These parents work hard and spend a lot of money to get their kids in college. It's my view that is why they act like crazy people on the sidelines because they have everything invested in basketball for their kids. I will say most of the AAU kids I have talked to have been very respectful young men, now their parents are interesting.

    When you see an adult with an education, regardless of race, there is a very good chance they are successful at work, family and have some great hobbies.

    Education does not mean just college, skill trades etc apply here.

    So they are disfranchised IMO because of lack of education opportunity, some of that is on the person and some blame lies with us as a community.
     
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    There is a lot of truth in this post.
    There is systemic racism- it's in the welfare system that encourages single-parent households, and in the (mis) education system that intentionally and systematically institutionalizes inner city kids to be dependent on government for everything- nutrition, healthcare, and even just plain old attention.

    It's a damn shame that anyone who overcomes poverty is looked at as a pariah and a sell out.
     
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    Great post, spot on!
     
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    Swamp Stalker Legendary Woodsman

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    ^^Exactly^^
     
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    I don't know..... by the time a person reaches 8 - 10 years of age, regardless of education, they know the difference between right and wrong. Ex. Burning things down and looting is f@**ing wrong.....no matter what.

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    There you go .. Like I've said .all my best friends in and out of high school were blk. My first room mate black, we rented a apartment. She worked in the city and I managed a night club in a near by town. She, her boy friend , another friend of mine, and even a exchange student that came from Norway. By the way completely different social up bringing said parents stressed the huge differences between them and their city counter parts " N live in the city, blacks in the country" Successful people of color believeing in work for rewards. Education where their kids were responsible for their success. We were all in advanced classes, well not her boy friend, but he knew and did take over a very successful family construction company. Which to this day is in business.
    Why is their city education terrible. Well JC! look up a few of the dozens of documentaries on inner city schools and the violence in and surrounding them . All this by their own people. I know people that taught in those schools, why? Hell basic hazard pay. They lived in the suburbs and traveled to the city to work because their pay was MUCH higher, until things got so bad ,verbal,physical attacks.
    Want me to get into the completely gutted and remodled homes through cities practally given to many and trashed within a year? My neighbors realestate business was built on going into these cities to file estimates on these condemned places. I went with her one day,NEVER AGAIN! She had learned the sign language to keep the dealers away from appoaching the car, every place we went police had to be called to protect and or clear a building before she could stop the car. Middle of the day and young people everywhere. Stoop sitting hanging on corners.
    So keep your "They are disefranchised" BS, because they choose this and raised their kids to be the same. Hell 3 generations that have learned to live off the teet of the tax payers, NEVER having a job!. Liberals did this to them and many, not all allowed it. Now all the above said, have no delusions to the fact a big percentage if whites are EXACTLY the same.
     
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  13. Vabowman

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    Germ, with all due respect, you very wrong on this. I am a public school educator a 15 year veteran of teaching. I can tell you this. The two cities near me, Richmond and Petersburg, are 98% black. Mostly on welfare. Now, those school divisions spend 2000$ more a year per pupil than the school division I teach in. The scores are low, graduation rate is worse and there is zero percent almost in parent involvement. Now, I ask again, how they disenfranchised? That means to be denied rights.such as education, food, shelter, etc. Again, where has the government denied this? I think if you look at the big picture, the common denominator is.....broken homes. Absent fathers. That is not disenfranchisement of rights. That's lack morals and values and priorities. Come and a teach in the public school system for a month, and see just how much the system bends over backwards to achieve equality.. I beg of you. And then tell me they are disenfranchised. I speak from experience my friend, do you?
     
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    virginiashadow Legendary Woodsman

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    In my very humble opinion, the anger from black people towards this country is a relationship problem. Black people do not trust that people are going to be fair to them. Generations of getting crapped on my John Q Public and the government has led to a relationship headed for a divorce. Unless both sides step up to the plate and apologize for being a bad marriage partner, then this crap will continue. I try to look at things simplistically. Probably not the smartest way to do it, but it makes sense to me.
     
  15. Vabowman

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    Well I have never disenfranchised anyone. I have never held anyone back from anything. I don't have this "white privilege" that is spoken of. I work what used to be an honorable job. I raise two boys basically on my own. I hunt, I fish, I get on bowhunting.com and share my experiences in the world I live in. All I really want is some land, enough to where I don't see people unless I choose to. then die in peace. So far, I have not obtained that....I must be disenfranchised...
     
  16. Germ

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    My wife is a teacher of 21 years and her school get's far less money per pupil than Detroit schools. The level of education received between the them is vastly different also.

    She has also worked in Detroit at the boy's reform school over the summer in Detroit, helping those with not only learning disabilities but emotional as well. I gain most of my knowledge from her.

    Spending money does not equate to better education or school system. It's how that money is spent IMO.

    My daughter's private school spent around 12,000 per pupil was simply amazing, IMO.

    While Detroit spends far more $14,259 and my wife just below $8,000 the schools both public could not be more different. Like I said corruption on boards(like Detroit) has a huge impact, and also the city corruption in the city. The backdoor dealing and pocket filling is/was nuts in Detroit.

    Also here is a question for you, if you were to get paid more money would you go teach in one of those schools you mentioned?

    There is plenty of blame to go around, but for better part of the up until 90's schools were funded vastly different In Michigan. With the Suburban schools getting more $ than the cities.

    I can only speak to Detroit and Michigan.
     
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    Let me ask this to each and everyone of you:

    1. When have you avoided a conversation with a person of color
    2. not held a door open for them
    3. willing to have a person of color in your home, given the opportunity
    4. raised your children to see color over personality in relationships
    5. gone out of your way to make them feel uncomfortable
    6. Aviod a hand shake or hug, pre covid
    7. felt uncomfortable working side by side

    You answer those questions then decide if the above statement is true.
    Now I believe depending on race people will answer those questions differently. Why? well because IMO we strive to raise are children to be color blind where as people of color raise their kids to be suspicious of people not their color.
    Do any of you think rasism is a one way street?!
     
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    This is a generational relationship issue, not something most any of us had anything to do with over the years. So much distrust it pervades throughout our country and it won't allow us to heal unless we man/woman up and admit to our failures on all sides.
     
  19. Vabowman

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    Would I go and teach there ? Hell no! Why? No matter the pay. In fact I could go to those schools for more money easily. they are begging...It's hard enough where I am now. But you make the point..money doesn't solve the issue. It's not about "equality" .. There is no disenfranchisement. And if there is, guess what party is in charge of those cities you speak of? Yeh, corruption for sure.
     
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    The vast majority of black people in these communities want police in their communities. They want help to protect them from the violent predators who roam their streets and victimize the good people. That is why the police have such an awesome responsibility as not only the ambassadors of their police departments, but representatives of their race. These people are watching how you are acting in that uniform and it represents a hell of a lot more than just the police.
     
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