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  1. virginiashadow

    virginiashadow Legendary Woodsman

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    I see people walk every day at court, regardless of color. Guys with 10 to 15 felony convictions walking free as a bird around society to continue to victimize people.

    That being said, money and prestige do help get people off charges and reduce the setting times. Money buys good lawyers....but if you are a criminal shouldnt that be something to think about before being an idiot time and time again? Hell my older brother was a convicted felon by the time he was in his early 20s. He is basically me without a filter. The family genes expressed themselves in a guy that didn't take crap and if you wanted a good old butt whipping he was gonna most of the time oblige you with one. He was placed in prison. Once out, he has never been back one time. 25 years later he is a great guy and owns his own landscaping businesses and has great kids. You think he blames anyone but himself and his drinking and drugs for his problems early in life? Nope.....he blames himself.
     
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    Once again a blanket statement, not taking in, he was convicted by a jury of people and sentanced by ONE INDIVIDUAL An individual that you have no idea what experiences or thought processes steered him to that decision.
     
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  4. Vabowman

    Vabowman Grizzled Veteran

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    And this is what I mean.. He made no excuse for his crimes. He did the time. He learned the lesson. So if you grow up in the hood you have two choices. become your environment or get out. And don't give me this crap about no opportunity...thousands and thousands have and still do find a way out. Also, let's talk about another fraction of the population. Asian and east Asian immigrants. I live in a very diverse neighborhood with a lot of Indians from India. They are very very successful people. They came here with nothing. You want to talk poverty and crime, ask them about living in Calcutta India.. yet, they seem to thrive here in America....think about it.
     
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  5. Vabowman

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    literally, words to LIVE by
     
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    this is almost entirely caused by fatherless households. The stats are almost mirrors- regardless of race.

    Not to say that incarceration isn't a factor in said fatherless households.
     
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    Kobe Bryant, OJ, Ray Lewis, all should have been in prison. all black. All got off scott free...yes, money got them off. and poor whites go to jail in droves son. it ain't about color
     
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    Exactly thanks for proving my point.


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  9. Vabowman

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    I only proved half your point. I never said money wasn't a factor. I said race isn't. Money is the great equalizer Germ. Good, the bad and the ugly
     
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    You done been trapped :lol:
     
  11. Vabowman

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    "do you think if he was black or poor"
    His words..not trapped at all. Look at what I said. Poor whites are going to jail all day. The issue at hand was skin color. Has nothing to do with it. How many times have we seen criminals of all races get 100 chances? and they keep repeating the same crimes. The only thing I see wrong with the justice system is it's not strict enough. On any race.
     
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    Hell, look at Jussie Smollet. Granted, the final outcome has yet to be resolved but even TDS is as powerful as money, combine the two and you have even more power.
     
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    cls74 Legendary Woodsman

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    Was nothing meant by it, you'll eventually realize my reference.

    Germ likes to state he sets traps and us Lemmings fall right into them and prove he is right.

    :lol:
     
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    And that brings us to the differences in the incarceration rates, which has both a socioeconomic component that ties itself to race as well. While the gap is shrinking the difference is striking.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...etween-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/


    "The racial and ethnic makeup of U.S. prisons continues to look substantially different from the demographics of the country as a whole. In 2017, blacks represented 12% of the U.S. adult population but 33% of the sentenced prison population. Whites accounted for 64% of adults but 30% of prisoners. And while Hispanics represented 16% of the adult population, they accounted for 23% of inmates.

    Another way of considering racial and ethnic differences in the nation’s prison population is by looking at the imprisonment rate, which tallies the number of prisoners per 100,000 people. In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000)."
     
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    What about the racial stats of committing crimes?
     
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    Oh I know, but here is the thing. I don't Germ or anybody on here. I can tell you that I do not fear being wrong. If I am wrong I want to be shown the error of my ways. I can only call it like I see it. That may be wrong, but that's how I am wired. But his trap is not a trap..He said if " he were black or poor would he get the same" I said yes. Our justice system has become a coddling center..no matter the race. they go to jail, they get out, they come back, over and over...
     
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    Trapped?

    It’s a conversation, one which we agree more the we disagree.


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    So is this bad choices in the black community? or are they victims of racism? are they not actually committing these crimes?
     
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    Assume that all the crimes ( bad choices ) were committed regardless of the person race and you see that both conviction rates and sentencing is skewed. Whites make bad choices as well, yet they are just not prosecuted to the same extent nor do they receive the same length of sentences.


    https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing


    https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2413&context=articles
     
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    See my above links.
     

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