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Here we go again...another shooting

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  1. cls74

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    I do not have a son either so we will need another to use as an assumed father.

    Wed. morning I was under the impression he lived in WI and was there protecting a family business and a Molotov cocktail was tossed at him. I had not seen any of the videos as my interent at work inside a steel building is useless at best for surfing let alone watching videos.

    My initial beliefs were the same as just about any LEO involved shooting, useless until enough time has passed for all facts to come out.


    That said, and to your question, I would feel comfortable giving a firearm to anyone I feel is competent when a SHTF scenario unfolds. I'd rather be shacked up deep in the woods than in the streets with a violent mob, but we don't get to choose the events we encounter.

    Specifically to this case, I do not know the shooter. Interviews prior to the shooting and still images show he was concerned for safety and well being and showed proper discipline with the handling of the firearm. Extended trigger finger outside the trigger guard and, regardless of your position, he did hit his intended target(s) and eliminated the threat(s).

    Everyone asks why was he there, why did he have an illegally possessed firearm. I'd also like to ask why was he targeted? Was he seen as weak and vulnerable because of his youth appearance? What were his aggressors going to do once they disarmed him and he laid there defenseless?

    Two people involved with this are still alive to make statements and a plethora of video documentation exists so that there is not going to be a he said/she said accounting of what transpired. Both of the two who are still alive, of the four involved, possessed firearms. Did the one who now has to become left arm dominate have a legal possession of his firearm?



    Here is a defense statement

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ay-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/
     
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    Yea but not to procreate...that's psycho
     
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    I do not know this lawyers reputation or expertise, but knowing what transpired in the Sandmann case, I do not believe I would want a defamation lawyer to take on my right to self defense case. Fame does not bring experience and in this case, pro bono or not, I think I would rather have a team of lawyers experienced in the field of firearm and self defense laws.
     
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    I’m on Facebook so I’m a Dem Hahahaha. Get a grip with reality man.

    You are such a special character. You call everyone who disagrees with you some sort of extremist... You should look in the mirror bud. Straight bat **** crazy.


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    No, I only call out the whack jobs ... I will attack dems/America haters with all my strength .. I am a realist, I see the dems for what they are, and it isnt good for America ... I dont sugar coat it ... as Ive always said the truth will hurt the Marxist Dems/leftists .... Trump is the best thing we have right now, he is for America, he is for all it's people (unless your an illegal or criminal/dem)... only a damn idiot will support the O'Biden/Harris/Marxist dem ticket .... I'm on the side of America/Law-Order/a strong economy/a strong military/Pro-life/free speech/the 2A and the Constitution and more pro America ideals ... the dems will destroy this country, only a fool cant see that ...
     
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    seems like I read there will be others involved in the kids defense ... hopefully they will be well versed in what you said ...
     
  7. cls74

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    If the NRA does not step in and offer their legal/monetary assistance that will speak volumes to me on the NRA themselves.

    Remove the reason he was there and how he came into possession of the firearm.

    If you cannot say he defended himself from attack, regardless of weapon, then you are wrong.

    What if he was there armed with only a knife? Can you stab an aggressor in WI when threatened? Would blade length or opening mechanism be the scrutiny?
     
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    You’re not a realist. You’re an extremist.


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    Mine is very real, very MexiRican, and very quick to stab.
    Cuidado, amigo.
     
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    Antagonistic extremist may suit it better
     
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    Maybe... nah... I believe he is beyond that. Does not acknowledge anything anyone else says about any other idea or ideology.


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    Living 22 minutes away I stayed away from that and let the locals handle it. If the damn non locals would just stay away we would be better off.
     
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    to your last, reporting I have read is that Lefty is a convicted felon, so no.
    Kenosha is maybe a half hour (20 miles) from the boy's hometown of Antioch. Antioch is right on the WI/IL border. It's not like he flew in from Portland to ORD, rented a van, and drove it up to Kenosha...that was ANTIFA.
     
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    That is always your fall back attitude, can't debate, so insult. Too blind to see your not just insulting one person, but an enire group of people due to where they either choose or just afford to live. You must have a hard time shaving in the morning.
    Oh no Forgot again:
    That was a reference to being able to look at your reflection.
     
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    So the angry urbanites all chanting we want change. There will be changes in society, we should also hold people responsible for the change that the disenfranchised need to put forward in their every day actions like murdering each other, violent crime, and raising responsible youth. Nothing will change if you do not change as well. Currently I trust zero people in the war zones in urban areas.
     
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    As usual you cant read or follow the context of the conversation, and as such you generalize and project. That's your MO. If I wanted to insult an entire group of people in would have referenced an entire group off people. I addressed the offending and his typical classless ranting, as it was obvious that that my comment, which he never addressed by the way, triggered him.
    Got any other stories if not, go away.
     
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    Actually a reporter went to the trouble of researching these pukes then listing some of their jobs and where they work.
    You may want to know way too many are working with KIDS, life coaches, sports coaches, elementary TEACHERS, high school teachers, professors, social workers, fostercare workers the list goes on and on...
     
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    Agree, cant have one without the other. And change is needed on both fronts. Any conversation that doesn't address that is Disingenuous.
     
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    I didn't generalize nor project, though I did point out yours, then YET AGAIN clueless.
    " I addressed the offending and his typical CLASSLESS ranting"
    Really you did that by saying:
    " I must have hit a nerve in an INDIANA TRAILER PARK"
    I see just one classless rant here. So you move on.
     

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