You might not "need" one personally but you need the good guy who does have one. Rights are not needs. You don't need to be allowed to pray to live. Or speak freely. Or vote. Or be allowed to pursue happiness. Or any of the other rights enshrined in the constitution. Without any of them you are not a citizen; but a subject. I promise you most of the parishioners at that church thank God that Mr. Plumber (and NRA instructor - wait, the media doesn't report that part) had an AR in his closet. And the wherewithal and cojones to use it. And I bet many of them wish they had brought their sidearms into church. The tool exists. It is in massive, widespread legal distribution. It will never be eradicated without door to door force and imposition of a police state. Ergo, more of them in the right hands is the answer. Not less of them in the right hands.
I'm not saying any gun laws need to be passed. I'm saying Something needs to be passed for this not to happen as much as it does. For all of you refusing to accept the fact that nothing needs to be done is the dumbest bunch of crap I've read lately. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Something only needs to be done, if that something actually accomplishes the something it is being passed to do.
I would like to take this opportunity to point out the following- He purchased the guns illegally (administrative oversight) - Lautenburg violators are not allowed to purchase guns Murder is pretty much the most illegal act one could commit So what law "needs to be passed" that would have stopped this atrocity?
Yes. You get it. I mean... If we do nothing we are just accepting the fact that this kind of **** is normal. What is happening is not normal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm just waiting too man. Some stricter laws on enforcing what I posted earlier would be a start for this specific event. "Officials: Air Force didn't submit Texas church shooter's criminal history to FBI, as required by Pentagon rules." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Its already a law that wasn't followed. Making another law would be what? Like asking Are you really sure.
Stricter law... Not another one. ENSURE that it is followed and **** like this doesn't happen. Nothing slips through the cracks. "Layers" of steps to ensure guys like the Texas shooter can't get through. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Let me know what the wording change to the law that would make it stricter that still couldn't be ignored accidentally or intentionally.
If someone truly just wants to kill people, outlawing guns is not going to stop them. There are 101 ways to kill someone without a gun. Hell he could have sat in a vehicle in the street and waited on church to let out and just gunned it for the front door.... GUNS are not the problem period....
Im not an expert on laws and neither are you. Leave it up to the the experts to decide the changes that need to be made. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lol, I'm not saying nothing needs to be done, I'm saying what more can we do. Laws aren't going to stop evil, if they were, this sort of chit wouldn't happen. How many times has it been pointed out that laws and regulations were already in place that "should" have prevented it. The only logical next step in the escalation is a full on ban and we're saying that's: 1. A waste of time and 2. Crossing the line of what's acceptable, as outlined by the Constitution and what some of us are willing to accept given we feel it's a waste of time and a can of worms better left closed. Humans are perpetually ignorant, try to pass a law or a rule or a regulation for every imaginable scenario and pretty soon we're so smothered in laws and regulations that there are no freedoms left...but that's our nature, we do it with everything. The alternative is to appreciate your freedoms and accept that some things are simply out of your control and take your chances.
I understand all of that... I really do. I just wish I could understand what has changed to make our society the way we are today. I'm relatively young here but I can't remember this kind of stuff happening 10-15 years ago. What is happening with our society??? I just think that we can change.... Change something. I don't know what that something is though. It is just sickening that children are being murdered and nothing can be done about it. It has become a "normal" thing of life which is ridiculous. I just hate it. I hate that innocent people lost their lives. I want something to change so this doesn't keep happening. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who lost their entire family in the shootings. Someone shoots your wife, son, and daughter. Would the consensus be "humans are perpetually ignorant and this stuff is going to continue to happen. There is nothing we can do." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Our memory can be a short thing indeed... http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/ You're a good guy, I wish I had some words to give you comfort and to put your heart at ease. Unfortunately I do not. We have and continue to cultivate a lack of moral compass in our society.
It’s not just in the us. There has been acts of genocide all over the world. There are countries that have been fighting wars and killing each other, Over the Bible and beliefs in fact for centuries. It may not be a mass shooting, but just don’t think people are only getting shot in the us, or much worse even. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I do not hand out dislikes on posts just because I disagree with them. That's easily the most willfully ignorant post you've ever posted. As Wesley pointed out, there are ongoing atrocities all over the world; and many of them are being committed by a governing body (or a faction that desires to govern.) It would be easy to argue that a major reason our G has not slipped over the edge of despotism is precisely because there are tens of millions of semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines in private hands. Look all over the world and in a large number of countries mass killings are a daily occurrence- many of them in places that ban or very highly restrict private gun ownership. We are citizens, not subjects. Self defense against both our fellow man and a tyrannical G is a God given right. Laws are made by and enforced by men; and therefore will be imperfect and fallible. Your personal protection against your fellow citizens is YOUR responsibility, not your governments. It is the corruptive lie of the Progressive that more government is the answer. People want a quick fix- it took 100 years of Progressivism to destroy the Family and turn the country from Judeo/Christian ideals. The only way to turn this ship around starts at home, then at the neighborhood level, and up the chain. Top down social engineering by Progs is what got us to this point. It will take a bottom up movement to reverse it. All that said; you can't fix crazy. You can only mitigate the damage. Ultimately, a good guy with a gun did just that. If there had been a few good guys with guns inside that church, it likely would have been less tragic.
Guns dont kill people; people do! Its sad but thats how fare and broken society is. We keep talking about guns as a problem when we going to address the real problem people! I could go on for hours about how or society has drifted to this point l can take a knee and think lm doing something? But you have a real chance to make a difference to make a change in those kids lives make it. Thats how we answer the ? One kid at a time! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Bowhunting.com Forums mobile app
