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Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by killer chill-r, Jan 6, 2016.

  1. trial153

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    The facts are that if your shooting a 360 grain arrow at 60ish pounds you have no business screwing on any rage head, never mind a extreme. Is that simple enough even for you?
     
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    The only digressing you've accomplished is being an *******.
     
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    Awww....there, their, they're now. Bless his heart and his patronizing attitude of you must be an idiot to use a mech head.
     
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    killer chill-r Weekend Warrior

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    I'm game for anything, what fixed head should I try? I've shoot the rage because the Xtreme & the hypo's fly great out of my bow. Haven't tried any fixed blades out of my chill r due to the fact I gave them all away when they wouldn't shoot good out of my switch back. They all seemed to plane real bad out of the switch back.
     
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    killer chill-r Weekend Warrior

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    I shoot 29"draw length
     
  6. trial153

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    You shouldn't have any trouble using a Fixed blade out of that set up providing your bow is tuned. With your arrow weight and draw weight why not look for something with decent size to it. QAD Exodus, Muzzy Trocars, and Slick trick mags come to mind. thunderheads( razor and edges) standard slick tricks are all very good replaceable blade heads.
    If your looking for a head that you can resharpen very easy and keep reusing three blade VPA are excellent quality heads. With all the tuning info on line with a little bit of work you can easily tune you bow to shot field points and field heads to the same POI.
     
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    I shot Muzzy 3-blades for years. Good head and cheap.
     
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    Nice edit.
     
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    Physiology is one reason, but if you're prepared and confident (like you're alluding to) it still comes down to some of the other variables (distance, angle and alertness mostly for me). I think some hunters forget where the front shoulder really is located. [​IMG]

    Three other quick thoughts: 1) There is some energy lost with mechanicals (some more than others); 2) angle and more specifically the ribs may come into play with some frontal shots (e.g. given the right angle you're shooting through more ribs which means more energy loss as the arrow travels toward the vitals or the arrow glances from the vials); 3) the wider the cutting diameter the worse the above 2 may factor in.

    Having said all that...Corey Jacobsen took a nice elk front on...Elk maybe a bit tougher (especially over our southern whitetails) but with a larger vital target. Again, I think it comes down to the factors you're prepared for (accuracy, equipment, preparation) AND the variables. I believe his distance was ~10 yds or less, right angle, etc
     
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    Lol, I better go back in time and tell the buck I shot 4 years ago through both shoulder blades at 40 yards with a slick trick "just kidding! Your still alive because bone stops everything!"





    Lol.


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    Sorry to be beating this to death it I just did some testing over the chrony with my switch back(chill r is at my house in the country). I'm very confused.

    Switch back xt
    70#
    29" dl
    28" pile driver
    100gr tip
    453gr total weight
    274fps
    Ke 75
    Mom .55

    Then change nothing but the head to a 75gr
    428gr total weight
    285fps
    Ke 77
    Mom .54

    I thought going to a lighter head I would loose some ke & momentum. But I gain 2# of ke. The more ke the better? Is this something i should look into running a set up like this? Sorry for all the question just trying to understand.
     
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    after watching wade nolans video on mechanical broadheads I wouldn't shoot them for the life of me. I'm fixed blade all the way. unless you are shooting high poundage, mechanicals just don't penetrate. go on you tube and look up wade Nolan broadhead test. that info should find it for you. heavier arrows is definitely a bonus. you just have to have the right arrow spine stiffness but you will give up speed. for me I like a heavier arrow for kinetic energy. this is what has been working for me.
     
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    I have to agree with trial on this one. Fixed blade = less things that can go wrong. Yes i agree mechs have been around for awhile and countless animals have now been killed with mechs but fixed blades have been around longer and killed more i bet lol, if it aint broke eh? They both work great but i think fixed heads steer the odds just a little more in my favor.
     
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    KE isn't a directional energy, only a potential that can't be measured and applied to anything in the real world. Momentum is a measureable, directional force that can accurately portray penetration numbers in an area. Go with the heavier arrow.


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    I can't give you the numbers, only what I have seen. Using the same bow and same arrows only switching from 100gr to 125gr. The 125 grain penetrated further.
     

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